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To: lurqer who wrote (36006)1/22/2004 10:15:07 PM
From: lurqer  Respond to of 89467
 
how can anyone continue to support those

Many find a way.

Poll suggests support for Iraq policy remains strong

Public support for the war in Iraq remains strong, with almost two-thirds of the American public saying that going to war was the right decision, a poll out Thursday found.

The number who said going to war was the right decision, 65 percent, is about the same number who felt that way in December, soon after the capture of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, according to the poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

More than 500 U.S. service members have died since the beginning of military operations in Iraq.

The Pew poll found the public believes President Bush is striking about the right balance in advocating the United States' interests overseas. Almost half said Bush is "about right" in the amount that he pushes U.S. interests overseas. The remainder were evenly split between feeling he is too aggressive or not aggressive enough.

Almost half, 46 percent, said Bush gives an appropriate amount of attention to the concerns of U.S. allies, while 30 percent said not enough attention was paid to their concerns.

The partisan divide on the war with Iraq is growing after it diminished when Saddam was captured.

An overwhelming number of Republicans think going to war was the right decision, while two-thirds of independents feel that way. Only about four in 10 Democrats said it was the right decision to go to war in Iraq.

The poll of 1,503 adults was taken Jan. 6-11 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

sfgate.com

lurqer



To: lurqer who wrote (36006)1/23/2004 12:20:44 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
"How can anyone no matter what party affiliation, not notice the glaring discrepancy between
"dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities.""
.......

I'd say it would be a selective memory. You wish to focus
only on one issue when several critical issues were
addressed in bringing Saddam into compliance & remove him
as a threat. It wasn't an either or situation. It was give
them all up, OR ELSE!

Saddam's WMD programs were an integral part of the
Cease Fire Agreement & ensuing UN Resolutions....

From UN Resolution 687....

8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the
destruction, removal, or rendering harmless
, under
international supervision, of: (a) All chemical and
biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all
related subsystems and components and all research,
development, support and manufacturing facilities;
(b) All
ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150
kilometres and related major parts, and repair and
production facilities;

From UN Resolution 1441.....

....Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the
Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on
acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution
,
including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat

....Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons, and to stop all support for terrorist groups.....

....surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons....

....Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons despite international sanctions, U.N. demands, and isolation from the civilized world.....

....Terror cells and outlaw regimes building weapons of mass destruction are different faces of the same evil.....

....The Iraqi regime bugged hotel rooms and offices of inspectors to find where they were going next; they forged documents, destroyed evidence, and developed mobile weapons facilities to keep a step ahead of inspectors.....

....The world has tried limited military strikes to destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities -- only to see them openly rebuilt, while the regime again denies they even exist.....

....After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more.....

whitehouse.gov

President Delivers "State of the Union"

....From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce germ warfare agents, and can be moved from place to a place to evade inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities.....

....From intelligence sources we know, for instance, that thousands of Iraqi security personnel are at work hiding documents and materials from the U.N. inspectors, sanitizing inspection sites and monitoring the inspectors themselves.....

....Year after year, Saddam Hussein has gone to elaborate lengths, spent enormous sums, taken great risks to build and keep weapons of mass destruction....

....The world has waited 12 years for Iraq to disarm.....

....Secretary of State Powell will present information and intelligence about Iraqi's legal -- Iraq's illegal weapons programs, its attempt to hide those weapons from inspectors, and its links to terrorist groups.....

whitehouse.gov

Remarks to the United Nations Security Council
Secretary Colin L. Powell

....The facts and Iraqis' behavior, Iraq's behavior, demonstrate that Saddam Hussein and his regime have made no effort, no effort, to disarm, as required by the international community. Indeed, the facts and Iraq's behavior show that Saddam Hussein and his regime are concealing their efforts to produce more weapons of mass destruction.

....Orders were issued to Iraq's security organizations, as well as to Saddam Hussein's own office, to hide all correspondence with the Organization of Military Industrialization. This is the organization that oversees Iraq's weapons of mass destruction activities.....

....We know that Iraqi government officials, members of the ruling Ba'ath Party and scientists have hidden prohibited items in their homes. Other key files from military and scientific establishments have been placed in cars that are being driven around the countryside by Iraqi intelligence agents to avoid detection.....

....Our sources tell us that in some cases the hard drives of computers at Iraqi weapons facilities were replaced.....

....One of the most worrisome things that emerges from the thick intelligence file we have on Iraq's biological weapons is the existence of mobile production facilities used to make biological agents.....

....The Iraqi regime has also developed ways to disperse lethal biological agents widely, indiscriminately into the water supply, into the air.....

....There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more. And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction.....

....We know that Iraq has embedded key portions of its illicit chemical weapons infrastructure within its legitimate civilian industry. To all outward appearances, even to experts, the infrastructure looks like an ordinary civilian operation. Illicit and legitimate production can go on simultaneously or on a dime. This dual-use infrastructure can turn from clandestine to commercial and then back again.....

....Call it ingenious or evil genius, but the Iraqis deliberately designed their chemical weapons programs to be inspected. It is infrastructure with a built in alibi.

Under the guise of dual-use infrastructure, Iraq has undertaken an effort to reconstitute facilities that were closely associated with its past program to develop and produce chemical weapons. For example, Iraq has rebuilt key portions of the Tareq State Establishment. Tareq includes facilities designed specifically for Iraq's chemical weapons program and employs key figures from past programs.

....To support its deadly biological and chemical weapons programs, Iraq procures needed items from around the world using an extensive clandestine network. That's the production end of Saddam's chemical weapons business.....

state.gov

Here's all the evidence gathered as of Oct 2002, on those
illegal WMD Programs necessary to justify his
removal. Don't worry, there will be even more evidence in
the future....

STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)
fas.org

Powell Says Kay Report Confirms Iraq Defied U.N. Res. 1441
usinfo.state.gov

Iraqi Mobile Biological Warfare Agent Production Plants
odci.gov



To: lurqer who wrote (36006)1/23/2004 12:48:46 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Riding the Crazy Train

______________________

By MAUREEN DOWD
OP-ED COLUMNIST
THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: January 22, 2004
nytimes.com



WASHINGTON — Whoa! That was quite the steroid-infused performance. Who's the guy's political consultant — Russell Crowe? He was so in-your-face, smirking his trademark smirk, it was disturbing to think of him in charge of the military. It's a good thing he stopped drinking and started talking about God.

You wonder how many votes he scared off with that testosterone festival: the taunting message, the self-righteous geographic litany of support? The Philippines. Thailand. Italy. Spain. Poland. Denmark. Bulgaria. Ukraine. Romania. The Netherlands. Norway. El Salvador.

Can you believe President Bush is still pushing the cockamamie claim that we went to war in Iraq with a real coalition rather than a gaggle of poodles and lackeys?

His State of the Union address took his swaggering sheriff routine to new heights. "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country," he vowed.

Translation: Hey, we don't need no stinking piece of paper to bring it on in other countries. If it feels good, we'll do it, and we'll decide later why we did it. You lookin' at me?

Sure, Howard Dean was also over the top when he uttered the squeal heard round the world. With one guttural primary primal scream, he went from Internet deity to World Wide Wacko and remix victim, with the scream mixed in on Web sites to punctuate Ozzy Osbourne's "Crazy Train."

Yes, Howard, you know you're in trouble when Chris Matthews says you make him look like Jim Lehrer; when David Letterman compares you to a hockey dad; when The New York Post suggests you have a "God complex." (As Alec Baldwin's twisted doctor said in "Malice": "You ask me if I have a God complex? Let me tell you something. I am God.")

Once Michael Dukakis got in trouble when he failed to get angry when asked how he would react if his wife were raped and murdered.

But Dr. Dean's snarly, teeth-baring Iowa finale was so Ross-Perot-scare-off-the-women-and-horses crazy that some Democrats on Capitol Hill, already anxious about the tightly wound doctor, confessed they could not imagine that jabbing finger anywhere near The Button.

But Republicans were thrilled when Mr. Bush strutted up onstage on Tuesday night to basically tell the country that if you don't vote for him in November, you're giving up in the war on terrorism. "We've not come all this way — through tragedy, and trial and war — only to falter and leave our work unfinished," he asserted, as if all those Democrats racing from Iowa to New Hampshire in the middle of the night were crying out to the voters: "Falter! Falter!"

Dr. Dean's poll numbers are diving because people freezing in New Hampshire think he's too hot.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are better at looking cool. But their dissing the U.N. — that palace of permission slips — and their doctrine of pre-emption are just as hot, and so was Mr. Bush's cocky implicit defense of the idea that if you whack one Middle East dictator, the rest will fall in line. "Nine months of intense negotiations involving the United States and Great Britain succeeded with Libya, while 12 years of diplomacy with Iraq did not," he said. "For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible, and no one can now doubt the word of America."

Maybe he's right, but what about Bill Clinton's line that unless we want to occupy every country in the world, maybe our policy should also concentrate on making friends instead of targets? The president and vice president like to present a calm, experienced demeanor, but their foreign policy is right out of the let's-out-crazy-the-bad-guys style of Mel Gibson's cop in "Lethal Weapon" movies.

For proof of how intemperate their policy has been, compare this year's State of the Union with last year's. Last year it was all about Iraq's frightening weapons. This year the only reference was to "dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations."

Would Americans have supported a war to go get "program activities?" What is a program activity? Where is the White House speechwriters' ombudsman?