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To: Neocon who wrote (123600)	1/23/2004 4:54:09 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<I am convinced they were there> "True believers" have an extraordinary capacity for ignoring reality and making up excuses when their wild fantasies turn out to be figments of their imagination. Congratulations -- your faith is unsurpassed. We have a government of "true believers" who set foreign policy. You are entitled to your fantasy life, but our politicians get people killed when they indulge their own fantasies. We would be far safer if there were few if any "true believers" in the White House. A foreign policy based on facts and the truth is in our own best interests. Bush will never admit he was wrong -- true believers can't even admit that to themselves. There is always an excuse. You do well as a true believer by replacing one fantasy with another. Saddam sent his WMD to Iran -- that is a very creative and amusing fantasy.

To: Neocon who wrote (123600)	1/24/2004 4:46:11 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Neocon; Re: "I am convinced they were there, and I think they are now probably in Iran and/or Syria and/or Lebanon." If WMDs had existed in large quantities, and had been transported out of the country, some of the Iraqis who have been cooperating with the CPA would have told us of these facts. David Kay is privy to the results of interrogations of those Iraqis who would have known what happened to the WMDs. David Kay is convinced that no such weapons exist: ... But though Kay has said new information has been uncovered about Iraq's programs -- particularly its efforts to build missiles -- he has since concluded there are no weapons stockpiles to be found. "I don't think they existed," Kay told Reuters on Friday. "What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the [1991] gulf war, and I don't think there was a large-scale production program in the '90s." ... cnn.com You are privy to none of the evidence that David Kay used to come to that conclusion, yet you are convinced that the weapons did exist. Here, let me quote you to you, LOL. Back in July you were saying that since we are not privy to the intelligence data, we were in a position where we should believe the opinions of those experts who were. This is in sharp contrast to your current position where you differ with the experts, LOL: Neocon, July 8, 2003 Neither you nor I are privy to all that goes into the intelligence reports, and have no independent way to critique them. Even those who are in a better position to dispute points only questioned some of the conclusions drawn, and were themselves often in a limited position to assess matters. Thus, the smart money was on our intelligence services, even admitting that there might be doubt about a few individual assertions. #reply-19093639 The truth is simple: *You're a liar.* Why? My guess is that you are mouthing the lies that you hope will let Bush and the Republicans escape electoral punishment for killing thousands of people. -- Carl