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To: Neocon who wrote (123730)1/26/2004 3:20:45 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
'I doubt anyone thought anything' - this doubt is due to limits of your own thought, springing from limits of your experience, no doubt .... a great many have 'thought' of this, for a long time, anyone who looks at an atlas can easily figure it out .... for instance Profe Ramón García-Pelayo y Gross seems to glanced at least once, prior to editing his Diccionario Usual, Ediciones Larousse [Marsella núm. 53, México 06600, D.F., Sexta Edición] -

' americano adj. y s. De América (Debe evitarse el empleo de americano con el sentido de norteamericano de los Estados Unidos)'

'De Toqueville referred to les Etats- Unis as "Amerique" '

De Tocqueville was a frenchman ... [ahem] ... and he wrote before the 1820s actions of the slavers led by Moses and Steven Austin had their eventual result in a war ending in expansion of slaveholders' lands into those of the mexicanos who had written a prohibition of slavery into their constitucion .... there is however in the notes to his preface this afterthought -

'At the time I published the first edition of this work, M. Gustave deBeaumont, my traveling-companion in America, was still working on his book entitled Marie, ou l'Esclaoage aux Etats-Unis, which has since appeared. M. de Beaumont's primary purpose was to portray clearly and accurately the position of Negroes in Anglo-American society. His work will throw a new and vivid light on the question of slavery, a vital one for all united republics. I am not certain whether I am mistaken, but it seems to me that M. de Beaumont's book, after having vitally interested those who will put aside their emotions and regard his descriptions dispassionately, should have a surer and more lasting success among those readers who, above all else, desire a true picture of actual conditions.'

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To: Neocon who wrote (123730)1/26/2004 3:48:20 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
If marcos were a nuclear power, we might have something to worry about. Seeing that he's not.....

He threw in the Mexican War as justification for his position. What THAT has to do with this matter is beyond me. One of the historical facts he likes to keep forgetting about that little brouhaha is that Mexico first declared war on the US, not the other way around. Not our problem if his side is better at running than fighting. Or at committing suicide as the cadets at Chapultepec Castle allegedly did. And that while Mexico claimed that the US was appropriating Mexican territory, there really was a legitimate dispute about the nationality of that ground. The Republic of Texas, annexed by the United States, also claimed it and had a treaty with the ink of Santa Ana, el Presidente de Mexico, on it giving them title to it. The fact that a Mexican legislature refused to recognize Santa Ana's actions and never negotiated a new treaty with the Republic of Texas counts little with me.

There IS something more useless than getting a soldier killed. That is having him commit suicide while accomplishing nothing. As was the case with those Cadets at Chapultepec.

"United Statesian" has a nice ring to it, don't you think? I suspect that's why "American" was the term adopted.

And marcos is simply going to have to live with it. Whether he wants to or not.