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To: TobagoJack who wrote (275849)	1/31/2004 9:18:06 PM
From: j-at-home	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

great post .. as usual

To: TobagoJack who wrote (275849)	1/31/2004 10:32:12 PM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

>>The simple facts of the matter is that the US workers do not work more diligently than their competitors elsewhere, are not better educated or trained, and are too expensive and spoiled for their employers to stomach. << Exactly. But how many Americans realize this? Only a few. Everywhere I turn around, I can see plenty arrogant Americans, who still think the US people are the most educated, better trained, and the smartest bunch around the world<g>

To: TobagoJack who wrote (275849)	2/1/2004 9:37:32 AM
From: loantech	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

<The simple facts of the matter is that the US workers do not work more diligently than their competitors elsewhere, are not better educated or trained, and are too expensive and spoiled for their employers to stomach> Jay but we don't have to work at the end of a gun or stick like a bunch of cowed scaredy cats for a buck a day. Hopefully the spoiled US worker will keep being spoiled (and dumb) and keep buying all that junk at Walmart so the Chinese employers don't have to buy bigger sticks. So both systems have flaws I would say. But as you ARE better educated I will again defer to your analysis.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (275849)	2/1/2004 9:53:35 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Hi Jay, <<< I am quite familiar with what is happening in China as regards to education, competition and skill acquisition. I am aware of what is happening in India, and by China proxy, can imagine what could be taking place in India.>>> I agree with you in that China and India have turned the corner and short of some very unlikely major disaster, their economies are going to expand tremendously. This will be a tectonic event. Nothing will stop it. The lives of billions of people will be enriched - economically and spiritually. However, do not underestimate Western Civilization. You, yourself, are a product of Western Civilization. The Muslim world, it is sad to say, are led by people, although many educated in the West, do not really understand the power of Western Civilization. I am not referring to military prowess. The Chinese, themselves, thinking they are being very modest, project that it will take 100 years for them to fully catch up with the West. In my opinion, I think it will take much longer, if ever. First of all, geographically, just like if you were to play squash, the idea is to occupy the center of the court. The United States, heir to Western Civilization, is a continental power sitting between Europe and Asia. Second, the Chinese have a tremendous disadvantage in communications because of the structure of their language. The Chinese language is not suited for modern times. The Chinese language will never (at least for several hundred years) be able to compete. Science, technology, commerce and everything else, intellectually, will be communicated first in a Western language.By that I mean, fully accepted. Finally, in education, I am sure that China (India as well) can turn out millions of computer programmers (some of them will be very good ), but, how long will it be before China can produce a Jay Chen from their own educational system? Rgrds, Mary

To: TobagoJack who wrote (275849)	2/1/2004 1:10:28 PM
From: TheBusDriver	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

<<In HK we do not have one person one vote mob democracy>> What do you mean exactly? Think this is a bit harsh. <<California, the trend setter, will perhaps show the way forward>> Born and raised in California before working in Texas and now Scotland. The only thing California is a trend setter for is how gov't should NOT be. The way out of their self-made problems will be to screw the residents through all manner of hidden taxes. And yea, they will go cap in hand to the Fed. Don't know what they will get though. Having lived abroad for the last 14 years I have heard what you have written here mouthed many times. Most is not true. Suprised someone with your level of experience and knowledge would drop down to this level. I had a higher opinion of you..... Wayne