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To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (275892)	2/1/2004 3:12:57 PM
From: Clever Nick Name	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

When I did my Ph.D work in Mechanical Engineering (1996-2000), the 50-odd students in the program were 90% foreign born, either Indian or Chinese. This was purely supply and demand driven. There were very few US students interested in graduate school, so the faculty was driven to recruit from outside the US. From the supply side the reasons are simple. Degreed engineers were getting offers in the high $40s to low $50s. An MS degree would get you mid $50s, and PhDs were starting in the mid $60s. Why would any US student, already buried with debt from his first degree want to spend several more years collecting debt to gain an increase in starting salary that was less than what he would collect in raises if (s)he went to work instead . I expect that outsourcing will push down starting salaries for engineers in the US appreciably over the next few years, while not impacting the salaries of advanced degree holders as greatly. If this happens, graduate work will be a more compelling option for Americans.

To: Dr. Voodoo who wrote (275892)	2/1/2004 5:22:22 PM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

here is what I found, "When it comes to science and technology (S&T) prowess, the United States has historically cherry-picked the world. During the post-WWII period, foreign graduate students comprised as much as half, and sometimes more, of those enrolled in America's research universities. In 1997, according to the National Science Foundation, the foreign born accounted for 44% of US PhDs in engineering, 30% in mathematics, 29% in chemistry, and 25% in the biological sciences. " the-scientist.com "Nearly a third of the doctoral degrees in science and engineering awarded in the U.S. each year go to foreign nationals, as do 40% of the PhDs in engineering and computer science, according to the National Science Foundation's 2002 Science & Engineering Indicators." businessweek.com But keep in mind that the above figure included only the people who had been awarded the degree in that year. And the graduate school takes multiple years of work, so one would see more foreigners than native speakers at one point in time in natural science depts across the US campus.