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To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (45486)	2/2/2004 2:59:34 PM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

For you information, one-person one vote has been adopted in village level ever since 1950, although only done by raising the hand, not by paper vote. Am I going to be disappointed?? No. You missed the point. All what I am saying is that it is UP TO the local people to decide whether their gov. is legit or not, not by outsiders. If energyplay were from Sudan, or Burma, I would take his comment more seriously<g>

To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (45486)	2/2/2004 3:52:22 PM
From: BubbaFred	Respond to of 74559

"One person one vote" system can be a farce as well. In Pakistan, local meetings at district level were attended by "invitation" of the landowners and merchants. Ordinary citizens (99% of Pak's population) are not allowed in the meetings, or would be kicked out. Those meetings are MUCH MORE IMPORTANT important on the issues to be addressed in the parliaments than the actual general voting referendum. Such is life of a parliamentary democracy. Decades of "one person one vote" democratic free election system has not benefited 95% of the population, for they are deemed to serve as peons (low wage labor pool) of wealthy. All done with the utmost blessings of the western world. Even the completely and totally westernized Benazir never changed the traditional fate of 95% of the women, and the traditional peons role of 95% of the population. In this age of mass psychology, the "OPOV" system tends to be a farce or outdated. There is one greater important factor used by any form of government - public perception, awareness, sensitivity, etc., have become almost like an exact science to be fed to human gullibility.

To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (45486)	2/2/2004 4:31:31 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

"university graduates should bet sixteen votes, high school graduates should get 4 votes, elementary school graduates should get one vote and those who didn't finish elementary school should not get any vote." 1) Why a guy like me who dropped out should not be entitled to vote? Would you want me to shut up because I am a potential disturbance to the divison of the cake? 2) Since we illiterates would be excluded in have a saying on how taxes would be allocated and spent, we would all be tax exempted, would we? 3) If I would buy a fake diploma I could vote, could I? 4) Since peple who attended MacDonald's University would be entitled, pretty soon Harvard, Yale and Stamford graduates, would demand 24 votes, and so it will go. 5) You are an academic aren't you? At least you emntioned that in your posting about AI two days ago. Anyway, as a Brazilian, I am entitled to vote. I am forced to vote, since if I don't the Brazilian government fines me. I pay the fines but don't vote.

To: Seeker of Truth who wrote (45486)	2/2/2004 9:14:07 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

Hi Malcolm! Cha cha, young man! I don't disagree. Let me show you: just this past weekend sent this message to a fellow Brazilian (translated). In 1970 Brazil had 90 million people. Today it has 180 million. Lets say that among those 90 million people, Brazil had 6 million in conditions to work productively in a modern economy. With the economy growing during the military regime, and real possibility of social and personal progress, lets say those 6 million were growing at 5%/year. Comes the Lost decade starting 1982. Lets say that by them, those 6 million had reached 7.5million. But from there on it stagnated. Much of those new 90 million Brazilians, added to the 90 we had in 1970, are uneducated, un-treinable sub-class. The richer grow slow the poor and uneducated multiplied by the millions. Cut to 2004. We have today those same 7.5million diluted among a mass of 180 million ignorant people. The voices of those 7.5million, able to handle a modern economy, drowned by the shouts, crying and chanting of the poor ignorant mass. This very mass has climbed the saddle and is riding the country!!! What was before unlawful petty but happening (animal lottery) today is a civil war of drug traficking. The scale of the marginalized increased a lot. Look to cinema: It took 100 years to come out with the film Macunaima, the hero without character. Today we have one once a year: 'Pixote', 'Central do Brasil', 'City of Gods' , 'Carandiru'... One more Dantesque than the previous It is not Brazil that is becoming stupid, it is the ignorant multiplying faster and a far higher rate than people can be educated. This friend, in question, is worried that the country is becoming stupid