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To: Robert O who wrote (176817)	2/4/2004 12:58:51 PM
From: GVTucker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Sounds to me like you're making a blanket statement based upon very limited anecdotal evidence. How very Kellogg of you.

To: Robert O who wrote (176817)	2/4/2004 8:24:00 PM
From: rudedog	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Robert - OT re: education I'm not sure when or where you got your elementary school education. I got mine in the late 50s and early 60s. I did not go to a 'fancy' school, we lived on the edge of some pretty tough neighborhoods in New Jersey. My school had a big majority (over 80%) of what today would be called black and latino students. The teachers ranged from good to excellent, especially in math and science. I can remember quite clearly when I first 'got' the concept of algebra. Our teacher made it a kind of history lesson, talking about the limitations of the roman systems, and how the arabic scholars got around the problems. He made the time when zero didn't exist, and the idea that one could use a letter as a placeholder for a number you didn't know, and then treat that placeholder like it was any other number, seem like an exciting breakthrough, which of course it was... In science, we were hampered by having almost no equipment, so we used milk bottles and balloons to investigate displacement and specific gravity, rigged up flashlight pieces to investigate electricity, fun stuff like that. I developed a lifelong love of math and science, and also of the links between math and music, science and philosophy, and a commitment to learning. I can't compare that to anyone else's experience or the quality of Asian elementary schools, but my own experience was apparently very different from yours.