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To: rudedog who wrote (176836)	2/4/2004 9:10:02 PM
From: Robert O	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

ot Yes quite different. I suspect BWAC and I and many many more (indeed the majority) of students instead were treated to this: medium to upper class neighborhood school system. Board of Ed. with combined imagination of a $3 barber...baby you get what you get. Algebra lessons? Wow my guy literally hit you on the hands with a long ruler for dozing off. I stayed awake from fear (not of the pain but the ridicule). It was the usual song and dance of 'learning the rules' by rote then applying them to endless board problems in step fashion. I did not hear or see from anyone else anything very different. hey let’s just say it: even now the 'norm' in many classrooms across many subjects is: 1) take your seats 2) shut yer traps 3) begin to furiously scribble notes that the teacher is putting onto board or overhead 4) Look around to see everyone doing the same without a chance to actually learn anything as the pens fly 5) teacher gives examples on board of topic s/he was writing about 6) more furious scribbling to get down the entire problem and the solution easily provided by teacher 7) repeat ad nauseam And so it goes... Truth to tell, the reason I'm somewhat irked is many years ago, but after H.S. I started to read a ton of non fiction about a variety of subjects...whatever might be of interest since I had the time at night after work. Wow, what an interesting world of numbers mathematics can be... and logic, and probability, and sciences, and man. Students are too busy having to memorize 100 terms for the first 3 week test there's no time to think about an real issues. Have you read : The Nothing That Is: A Natural History of Zero or The Golden Ratio : The Story of PHI or E = mc2: A Biography of the World's Most Famous Equation or The Third Chimpanzee (my favorite) or A Short History of Nearly Everything? These are fantastical romps a joy to read and appreciate and yet there is hardly a taste of this from our early common schooling. I look back and try to understand if perhaps I and almost all my school chums were at fault but honestly I don't think so. The classroom speaks for itself, and sadly, speaks silent volumes. FWIW RO Ps Can anyone reccomend a good book on the general school praising/bashing debate?

To: rudedog who wrote (176836)	2/5/2004 5:00:49 AM
From: Amy J	Respond to of 186894

OT Hi rudedog, RE: "In science, we were hampered by having almost no equipment, so we used milk bottles and balloons to investigate displacement and specific gravity, rigged up flashlight pieces to investigate electricity, fun stuff like that. " Fun stuff. We don't have enough labs in grade school. I remember wanting so badly to take a physics lab in grade school. For fun too, the way it should be. Labs are so fun when you're small. And this makes labs even more fun when you're older too. On another note, I never felt chemistry lab was particularly "creative." My instructor had to warn us about the dire consequences of being "creative." Obviously, chemistry was not a good fit for me! Ka-boom Regards, Amy J