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To: Sea Otter who wrote (536255)	2/5/2004 8:21:50 PM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

my answer will not satisfy you.. faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call." and in answer to your question of whether I would think it would be progress if you converted to a Muslim or Budhist, I would have to say not according to the scriptures. THEN, I will make ut very clear...I am not perfect, but only made whole by the blood of Christ and promise of God.

To: Sea Otter who wrote (536255)	2/5/2004 8:34:16 PM
From: goldworldnet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

The character of God, as exhibited in the Bible, cannot be of human origin. We know what sort of gods men make; for they have multiplied them without number. They carve deities from blocks of wood and stone, and worship them with stupid adoration; but this is not the most debasing and abominable idolatry of which they are guilty. Their vain imaginations fashion gods more vile than these. The blocks of wood or stone may take the form of birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things; but the deities which derive their origin from the imaginations of men have passions and propensities that are beastly, and even worse than beastly. Such are the objects which they worship with laborious and costly devotion. Let any man visit the temples of the heathen, observe their horrid ceremonies, and study the character of their gods; and then let him say whether these gods, and the God of the Bible, are from one common origin. Some objectors may allege that the deities to which we have referred are those of uncivilized tribes. What then? Were the gods of the most civilized nations better than these? What were the divinities which were worshipped by the ancient Greeks and Romans, even by their sages and philosophers, whose talents and genius have been admired in every age? Jupiter, their Optimus Maximus, best and greatest, was a monster of crime; and Venus, Bacchus, Mercury, Mars, and the rest of their deities, were his fit companions. They were patrons and examples of vice. The infidel Rousseau has drawn their character correctly. "Cast your eyes over all the nations of the world, and all the histories of nations. Amid so many inhuman and absurd superstitions, amid that prodigious diversity of manners and characters, you will find every where the same principles and distinctions of moral good and evil. The paganism of the ancient world produced, indeed, abominable gods, who on earth would have been shunned or punished as monsters, and who offered as a picture of supreme happiness only crimes to commit and passions to satiate. But vice, armed with this sacred authority, descended in vain from the eternal abode; she found, in the heart of man, a moral instinct to repel her. The continence of Xenocrates was admired by those who celebrated the debaucheries of Jupiter--the chaste Lucretia adored the unchaste Venus--the most intrepid Roman sacrificed to Fear. He invoked the god who dethroned his father, and he died without a murmur by the hand of his own. The most contemptible divinities were served by the greatest men. The holy voice of Nature, stronger than that of the gods, made itself heard, and respected, and obeyed on earth, and seemed to banish as it were to the confinement of heaven, guilt, and the guilty.''[4] founders.org * * *

To: Sea Otter who wrote (536255)	2/5/2004 9:07:04 PM
From: SeachRE	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

For believers no explanation is necessary, for non-believers no explanation will suffice. (Anonymus)

To: Sea Otter who wrote (536255)	2/5/2004 9:55:22 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 769670

You are obviously quite sure in your beliefs. I'm curious, why so sure? I am so sure because while I was solidly atheist and against God, He entered my mind and showed me how utterly lost humans are. No man can ever find God. It is profoundly impossible. Did you investigate other religions before you became Christian? Yes. I investigated all of the major religions and quite a few about which you likely have never heard. Why, for instance, did you not become a Hindu or Muslim? Because they are both and all filled with stupidity and utter hogwash. Islam came along some 600 years after Christ and obviously aimed to copy the authority of the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures. Even as an atheist I saw it was quite inferior. The Scriptures soar above all in terms of soberminded history, literary elegance and the truth about the human condition.

To: Sea Otter who wrote (536255)	2/6/2004 2:50:22 PM
From: Howard C.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Your point is excellent. You may notice that in every war, both sides claim that "God is on my side." Can it be? Or, does God only go with the "winning" side? If that's the case, then God was on the side of the North Vietnamese when they won the war against America. The Bible Belters have in common what George Carlin observed so well: "People who have low self esteem generally have earned it." Such people need to be with the "right" religion to boost themselves up. And the thought that a person can be morally correct without ever stepping foot in a church must be totally reprehensible to them.