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To: Lane3 who wrote (28954)	2/11/2004 6:54:57 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793886

Well that is a different topic. Thankfully because I'm tired of the gay marriage debate. :/ I would characterize the current practice of civil marriage to be a "six" maybe. The key structural change was economic - women ceased to be dependent on men to support them. Both parties are economically independent to a greater or lesser degree, so the need to stay married is no longer as pronounced. When the couple is no longer happy together (romantic love having become the central element), there is no need to remain together for support. That's liberating in the sense that people no longer have to tolerate unhappy marriages. But bad in that it damages the family unit and a stable socializing environment for the kids. The structural changes in the past century have resulted in greater individuation and freedom, but also a greater dissolution of the social bonds that formed stable relationships in the past. Weakened familial bonds, for one. Interestingly, it's all in Durkheim's appendix to "Division of Labor" if I remember. Greater atomization of society. The side affect is potentially a larger population of alienated or socially dysfunctional individuals. I think the people you refer to as those who believe in "white picket fence" marriage DO disparage this state of affairs. Its just that you, as I, probably don't listen to them very closely. Derek

To: Lane3 who wrote (28954)	2/11/2004 9:38:32 AM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793886

gay marriage We have been instructed not to call it "gay marriage" anymore Don't Call It 'Same-Sex' Marriage, Advocates Say By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor February 11, 2004 (CNSNews.com) - The National Lesbian & Gay Journalists Association says the terms "gay marriage" and "same-sex marriage" are inaccurate and misleading and should not be used. Given the rapidly expanding news coverage of the situation in Massachusetts, the NLGJA is urging all media professionals to use "accurate and clear terminology" in reporting. In an open letter to "fellow journalists," the NLGJA noted that the decision made by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court affects the state's existing marriage law. "The court has ordered the state to apply the existing law equally to gay and lesbian couples as early as May 2004. The accurate terminology -- on-air, in headlines and in body type -- should be 'marriage for gays and lesbians,'" the letter said. cnsnews.com