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To: DMaA who wrote (540586)	2/15/2004 1:36:43 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

A nice one for the Minnesotans. Another thing you folks do well is hockey. I saw that movie "Miracle." Very slow in the beginning. In fact I fell asleep, but the last half-hour was quite a ride. Whew. Too bad Herb Brooks didn't live to see it.

To: DMaA who wrote (540586)	2/15/2004 1:55:02 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Respond to of 769670

They use a catalyst to strip hydrogen from ethanol. The large source of ethanol is corn, and rather expensive in energy costs to produce. I wonder if this was started by "seed" money from the Feds? If it was I wonder why the University is applying for patents? Shouldn't it be owned by the people?

To: DMaA who wrote (540586)	2/15/2004 2:06:20 PM
From: Kenneth V. McNutt	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Scientists Develop New Hydrogen Reactor Fri Feb 13, 9:54 AM ET Add Science - AP to My Yahoo! I sometime awaken at night, usually to go to the bathroom, but some nights from nightmares. In my nightmare I see, at the 630:am rush hour, thousands and thousand of hydrogen powered automobiles lined up for miles on I 95, entering Washington, DC., for the days work. It is 15 degrees above zero. Water, the only byproduct of hydrogen automobiles it is said, flows from the tailpipes onto the expressway, freezing solid all the wheels to the ground, a veritable frozen lake. Thousands are late, or never make it to work, because they forgot to carry a blow-torch for extraction in case of an emergency. The government shuts down,, which is a blessing. the NEA adds hydrogen days to their snow days off. Insurance rates soar. Fortunately I awaken and go potty. All is well. It is only a nightmare, like Kerry getting elected President. Aaaagh! KM

To: DMaA who wrote (540586)	2/16/2004 9:32:26 AM
From: jmhollen	Respond to of 769670

Good find, DMA. Most of the Hydrogen Fuel promoting nuts (..usually non-technical people with no engineering or chemistry education..) completely fail to include all the associated costs that are hidden in the utility company side of the equation; producing the energy to crack hydrogen from salt water, etc., using electrolysis. This ethanol fuel cell holds out a lot of hope, unless they try and milk a very high purchase price out of it on the front end - rather than capitalizing the development cost over 20 years, etc. I'm still very PRO on "..poop power.." (..Anaerobic Digestion of wastes from critters, including litter from poultry husbandry operations..) and bio-source digestion of sources such as municipal sewage sludge and garbage. Once you digest manures, etc., you have destroyed the dangerous public health affecting pathogens in the process, extracted copious amounts of Biogas fuel energy, and you end up with an excellent fertiiizer/soil amendment product that produces it's own income stream from sales to farms, nurseries, golf courses, right-of-way improvers, etc. The soil amendment goes back to the corn fields that feeds the cows, etc., and also provides grain for the ethanol producers. AD (..anaerobic digestion..) is truly part of a total ReCycling-&-Renewable resource process. "...Ain't technology grand..."!! And as usual, "..Republicans do.." while Demoncrats fantasize, whine and get stains on their garments......... John :-) .