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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46312)	2/15/2004 7:47:13 PM
From: tom pope	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Maurice, you seem to be an interesting fellow, and I would probably enjoy a round of golf with you if golf weren't so distressingly proletarian (I used to play it before it became proletarian and golfers became unabidable beer guzzling ruffians). But you have totally misunderstood the appropriateness of humor in this context. I've always thought that NZ'ers were somewhat English in their reasonable approach to life and understood that there is a time and a place for everything. You should understand that Americans do not think that any joke remotely connected with 9/11 is funny, and, quite frankly, I agree with them. To Americans of whatever political stripe jokes about 9/11 are not comparable to a Castrol sales meeting, and the fact that you seem to find an equivalence shows daft insensitivity. I thought it was ridiculous when National Guardsmen were stationed in airports as if there was a credible threat of armed attack against a domestic U.S. Facility. But what I was trying to suggest to you that security types are not chosen from the pool of people who are looking for jobs where satire is not taken seriously. Your msg inviting Al Q types to contact you was not at all smart if you ever thought of coming to the United States for a visit or whatever. On the other hand, if you have not intention of visiting our fair shores, fire away. We have thick skins. I'm very sorry about your son, and what he had to endure. But how did that address Zeta's post?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46312)	2/15/2004 8:07:05 PM
From: zeta1961	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<<So cheer up.>> I am cheery and hopeful...otherwise would not have come this far... My father, an 85 year old communist dissident, has left us an oral chronicle of the happenings of WWII. Regarding your points about sense of humor in serious situations...I was one of the nurses you describe and at another time, I was the wife of one of those patients you describe. I can guarantee you that your comment as the parent of a cancer patient was accepted because of just that...you were in the thick of it...And I can guarantee you that had you not been a father of a child with cancer, that remark would have greeted you with some furrowed brows, to say the least...in New Zealand...in NY, probably not as polite... Therefore your comment, as a foreigner in a country far from the situation, does not sit well with many like myself who went on special mission to help the NY hospitals take care of the victims. Having to walk past crowds of desperate people in front of NY-Presbyterian hospital holding up signs of their loved ones' names. School aged children pleading to know where their parents were. Inhaling the distinct aroma of human flesh burning. NYers are renowned for their humor and sarcasm and tenacity in difficult situations...they've faced their share of adversity...it's an unwritten rule in these parts that ethnic jokes are OK as long as you're a member of the ethnic group your joking about. Black-Americans can call each other nigger, but white americans can't...that's just the way it is around here...and that's how I feel about your comment...you don't have the "cultural license" for your "joke" to be funny.