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To: Lou Weed who wrote (124758)	2/16/2004 9:31:00 PM
From: quehubo	Respond to of 281500

<<The Iraqis are so much better off today than they were under Saddam but that is not the reason we invaded.>> You are correct, not the reason but a reason. A win win situation is a prosperous and free Iraq with a representative government. Prosperous requires that they are pumping oil and keeping the market well supplied and the revenues used for the benefit of all Iraqi's. We cannot control Iraq or its oil. But we can do our best to get the started on the road to self determination.

To: Lou Weed who wrote (124758)	2/16/2004 9:50:54 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

My argument is not to put the French/Russian positions in a better light than ours but rather to point out that we have behaved similarly in the past. So what, Michael, so what? So we can never improve our policies, because our hands are dirty? So we can never switch from the failed realpolitik of the past to a fp that aims to encourage democracy in the Middle East? So you will support France's policy over ours, because we supported Saddam in the 80's, even though France was supporting Saddam day before yesterday, after he had proved himself ten times worse than he was in the early 80s? This pursuit of the joys of moral indignation at the US leads you to some most peculiar bedfellows. And to supporting a fp that would have left Saddam in power. Is that really what you would have preferred?