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To: Kevin Rose who wrote (543029)2/20/2004 12:43:10 AM
From: Orcastraiter  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Many people believe that the breakdown of the ozone layer and global warming is directly responsible for the increase in divorce and gay marriages.

Therefore if you want to put a stop to all these gays trying to take over marriage you need to stop polluting the air.

Gee it's so simple anyone can see the correlation.

Orca



To: Kevin Rose who wrote (543029)2/20/2004 1:57:56 AM
From: Johannes Pilch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
You obviously didn't read the article. If you did read it you didn't comprehend it or you are lying - which is a distinct possibility. The author certainly did note that in Denmark a leveling off of out-of-wedlock births occurred during the nineties. But he also noted that "the leveling off seems to be a function of a slight increase in fertility among older couples, who marry only after multiple births (if they don't break up first). That shift masks the 25 percent increase during the nineties in cohabitation and unmarried parenthood among Danish couples (many of them young). About 60 percent of first born children in Denmark now have unmarried parents."

The author also notes that in Sweden, out of wedlock births continue to rise, and, contrary to your leftist claims, he clearly states that the "lone teen pregnancies common in the British and American underclass are rare in Sweden, which has no underclass to speak of. Even when Swedish couples bear a child out of wedlock, they tend to reside together when the child is born." The author attributes this in part to the fact that Sweden has strong state enforcement of child support laws. But he also notes that because the welfare state in Sweden is so pervasive, tax rates are very high, forcing everyone to work, leaving less time for parenting, which further enlargens the welfare state to enable it to take care of children. Because of this, the author notes, ultimately "mothers and fathers can get along financially alone. So children born out of wedlock are raised, initially, by two cohabiting parents, many of whom later break up."

We ought not be leftist here. The issue is that the family is being destroyed in stages, and that homosexual marriage is one of major effects and causes of the destruction, separating marriage from parenthood. While children are being initially raised in two-parent homes in some cases (often with at least one parent having no genetic link to the children at all), the social glue holding even these families together has weakened and ever continues to weaken. The Scandinavian family is fragile and homosexual marriage is slowly enhancing its fragility.

Your reference to the Moors and Palomba (1995) study is just plain ridiculous. The study mentions a relatively obscure aspect of Austrian tradition, and here only suggests it is why Austrian illegitimacy outranks most of the countries in the European Economic Area. You are confused. Your presentation by no means explains the overall Austrian trend of ever increasing illegitimacy. The section to which you referred only tells why Austria's rate was higher than others, stating that "Austria combines a high level of non-marital fertility with traditional behaviour regarding other demographic aspects." The fact yet remains that, regardless of traditional behavior (traditional behavior here meaning behavior that has traditionally accepted out-of-wedlock births), Austria's illegitimacy rate is still high and increasing - just like all of western and northern Europe. What the Kurtz article I mentioned does is show why Austria has a high level of non-marital fertility in the first place.

Time to learn that 'one variable cause and effect' studies are inheritantly flawed, and usually biased.

Time for you to learn how to read and comprehend facts. The Kurtz article does not explain the dissolution of the family only in terms of homosexual marriage, as you so dishonorably claim. It does convincingly show how the cheapening of values by leftists tends to bring about greater social acceptance of homosexuality, which severs marriage from parenthood, which destroys marriage, which makes families far too fluid to ultimately maintain the social bonds that make for a healthy society.