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To: GST who wrote (125041)2/25/2004 1:37:02 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hizbullah, a low-grade offensive. You may have forgotten about Beirut 1983 but this administration and the Marines have not. PLO, not at the moment, though there are outstanding grievances like the three Americans that PLO terrorists killed in Gaza last fall. They were in Gaza to discuss granting Fulbrights to some Palestinian students. The PLO under extreme pressure, has staged a show trial of 4 guys who didn't do it. Hamas sticks to Israel.

Now I have answered your questions, answer mine: "Are we at war with ANYBODY?" YES OR NO?



To: GST who wrote (125041)2/25/2004 11:38:00 AM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
One of the great divides on this thread is between those who regard Middle Eastern terrorists as they would the Aryan Brotherhood, the Posse Comitatus, or any of the other nutball groups that hide out in Idaho and rail against the Zionist conspiracy, race mixing, and the Federal income tax. We do not imagine that there is no fodder in reality for their delusions, of course, like the erosion of family farming, but we also know that most of what they think is primitive nonsense, a relic of personalizing social change, rather than understand the impersonal social and economic forces at play, and pretending that armed resistance against conspirators offers hope. In like manner, Middle Eastern terrorists largely exist in within the bonds of their own demented universe, where it makes sense to encourage children to blow themselves up, as long as they take enough Jews with them, rather than to make constructive steps to build the future.

On the other side, there are those who think that the worldview and behavior of terrorists is at least a somewhat rational response to our alleged sins, like neocolonialism. Thus, it is our fault for driving them to despair, and it is wrong for us to defend ourselves, because we will only exacerbate their fury, which would, of course, eventually disappear were we to be accommodating, and eager to answer their outrages with appeasement.

So, unless we address "root causes", which are supposed to be our mistakes or derelictions, we cannot hope to prevail over terror. Unless, of course, those of us who think the root causes are intellectual failure and emotional disturbance are correct. In that case, killing, imprisoning, and otherwise discouraging any who might be tempted to raise a hand against us will suffice........