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To: zonder who wrote (7395)	3/2/2004 9:14:05 AM
From: E. T.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

"The point is that Israel is currently oppressing Palestinians, making it impossible for them to pursue their own lives." As well, the PA leadership doesn't allow its people to pursue their own lives. If a PA citizen speaks out in favor of Israel, in any way helps Israel, they are for sure to die. Tell me how anything like that occurs in Israel. To make a parralel to Nazi Germany and Israel is really stretching things, imo. The Palestinian Authority has more parralels with a Nazi regime than Israel any day of the week. The PA regime is corrupt, as were the Nazi leaders. Nazi leaders called for peace, all the while killing the opposition and preparing for war and genocide. Sounds like an Arafat strategy to me.

To: zonder who wrote (7395)	3/2/2004 9:18:46 AM
From: E. T.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

"It is very sad, in my humble opinion, that a race so inhumanly discriminated in its own recent history can bring itself to so inhumanly oppress, humiliate, control, and even kill another nation." It may look that way to you, but if the PA leadership is not interested in peace, what's Israel to do?

To: zonder who wrote (7395)	3/2/2004 8:52:47 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

All oppression is not equal to genocide and it certainly seems wrong to me to equate lesser forms of oppression as being equivalent to Nazi Germany's genocidal policies and practices. This is precisely what I find misleading: Israel is currently oppressing Palestinians, making it impossible for them to pursue their own lives. Nazi Germany oppressed Jews and made it impossible for them to pursue their own lives. To move just a little further away from Palestine, there are Kurds and Greeks currently being oppressed by Turkey. Does this mean it is appropriate to compare Turkey and Nazi Germany as parallel situations. Of course not, there is a vast difference between the level of oppression there just as there is a vast difference between what the Palestinians are experiencing and what the Nazis did to their victims. "But Arabs hate Jews!" is not even relevant to this subject, I think it is. If one is looking for parallels to Nazi Germany - they are certainly there in the Arab world right down to the very same anti-semitic material being fed to the masses. It certainly does reduce the possibility of peace which is the only thing which will ultimately benefit the Palestinians. There is an Israeli Arab city named Umm al Fahm which has been a center of Palestinian unrest within Israel proper. So since it is near the border the idea of letting it be annexed to the Palestinian Authority was floated. What did the citizens of Umm al Fahm have to say about being freed from Israeli rule without having to leave their homes? Then the interviewer asks: What do you think about the idea of annexing Umm al-Fahm to the Palestinian Authority? "Absolutely not. Ninety-three percent of the city's residents are against that, and I am one of them. This is our home, we are citizens like everyone else, and we have it good here." What's so good here for you? What about all the complaints of persecution, oppression and discrimination? "It's all true, as you know. Yet our situation here is still far better than it would be if we were in an Arab state. I admit it. I also say it in talks abroad. It's a fact. That doesn't mean that there is nothing to improve. There's plenty." Well, Sharon has proposed to put Umm al-Fahm on the other side of the wall, which would at once reduce the militant Arab population of Israel and give the Palestinians more land. In effect, it calls the bluff of Israeli Arabs who use their freedom of speech and representation in the Israeli government to support the intifada. [Umm al-Fahm] has become infamous in Israel as the headquarters of the northern wing of the Islamic Movement, which is considered sympathetic to Palestinian religious fundamentalists who inspire attacks on Israel. Two former mayors have been jailed on charges of ties to Hamas. . . . even though aid for Palestinian terrorist groups is a marginal phenomenon among Israeli Arabs — most in fact oppose the militarization of the uprising — Israeli security forces cannot ignore the fact the number of cells linked to terror groups has grown inside of Israel.But the residents of Umm al-Fahm want to have it both ways. Islamist rhetoric is all very well and good, but actually living under the benign rule of Uncle Yassir Arafat rather than the evil racist apartheid war criminal Ariel Sharon? Forget it! "You want to take us from one of the most advanced countries and put us in one of the most depressed?" says Walid Mahajni, owner of a pastry shop located on a service road with piles of uncollected garbage. But, he adds, his attachment to his Israeli passport isn't just financial. "The Israeli mentality has become part of us. When I traveled in Egypt and Jordan, I realized I couldn't live in an Arab country. We've gotten used to speaking our minds." "We have a saying here," said Shoaa Saad, 22, "that the 'evil' of Israel is better than the 'heaven' of the West Bank. "Here you can say whatever you like and do whatever you want — so long as you don't touch the security of Israel. Over there, if you talk about [Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser] Arafat, they can arrest you and beat you up." . . . "The problem is we're treated here as B-class citizens, but we're seen [by West Bank Palestinians] as 'almost Jews,' " said Issam Abu Allo, 29, one of three young Israeli-trained lawyers who discussed their situation over a late-night dinner at a pizza parlor. "Mr. Sharon seems to want us to join an unknown state that doesn't have a parliament, or a democracy, or even decent universities," said Mr. Allo, who studied law and social anthropology at predominantly Jewish colleges in Haifa and Netanya.Of course, this attempt to cede to the future Palestinian State land populated by prosperous educated Arabs dedicated to the Palestinian cause was quickly condemned by PA leaders as well. hfienberg.com Now try to imagine a Jew or Gypsy in Nazi Germany turning down the opportunity to escape. So much for the "parallel".