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To: E who wrote (7397)	3/2/2004 7:34:28 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 7720

Snowball's chance in Hades of ever being passed.

To: E who wrote (7397)	3/2/2004 8:21:45 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 7720

B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21) Sounds good. C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21) THAT needs work. At least 3/4 of current wives are kaput. D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30) Nah. Deprives we infidels of a good chance to convert them. E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9) Noooooo. F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10) One shoe? One shoe???? That's a fine???? You get stung worse than that for jaywalking. G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36) Hmmm. Kinky......

To: E who wrote (7397)	3/2/2004 9:50:25 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 7720

You have to go back a lot farther to the beginning of the story of the relationship between man and woman. Genesis chapter 2, verse 24 and 25 say; "For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed." I remember a book called "The Act of Marriage" and in a sense that's what happens when a marriage is consummated. It becomes official as it says in Genesis. In Genesis it was the act that made the marriage. Imagine if that was the standard for defining a marriage today. How many wives have us men had or husbands have you woman had then? lol Now these regulations you posted from the law sound very barbaric. That was a barbaric time. The law was used for a short time in the whole history of man and then Jesus came and made a better way. The Bible states the law was imperfect, and could not do for man what God wanted. But His Son Jesus could, being perfect. Jesus became the new law replacing the old. And He did it with His own blood and suffering I might add. Let's look at Jesus's own demonstrated attitude towards women. Some men brought a woman to Jesus saying they caught her in the act of adultery and asked Jesus if she should be stoned. According to the law she should be stoned, they all knew that. They wanted Jesus to condemn her. They were testing Him to see if He would keep the law. If He didn't they could accuse Him of not being the Messiah. But Jesus did not want to condemn the woman. It was not His reason for being on earth. He came to replace the law with Himself and His mercy and forgiveness. Those men knew Jesus would not want to condemn her and thought they had Him in a trap. Jesus taught about mercy and forgiveness and they wanted to force Him to go against those teachings. (And it's worth noting that those men did not bring the man too as the law says both should be stoned. That was some hypocrisy there.) Jesus scratched the ground with a stick and finally said let the one among you who is without sin cast the first stone. They all slowly left. So Jesus was able to show mercy and also not violate the law. The law was imperfect and Jesus is perfect. And Jesus said to the woman, Does no one condemn you? She said, no one Lord. And Jesus said Neither do I condemn you. Go your way and sin no more. In Matthew 9:13 Jesus said (to the Pharisees), "Go and learn what this means, I desire compassion and not sacrifice, for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The obvious symbolism is there, compassion representing Jesus, and sacrifice representing the law and the (righteous) Pharisees who served the law. Jesus was saying the law was passing away, being replaced by Him. And He is full of compassion. Jesus said, "Come to Me all you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest, for my yoke is easy and my burden light". The burden of the law was heavy. Another example of Jesus's attitude towards women is this. When He rose from the tomb who did He appear to first? Peter? The twelve? He appeared to Mary Magdalene first.

To: E who wrote (7397)	3/2/2004 11:09:51 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 7720

"This claims to be actually from the Bible"..."A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28;" I will look at the first without comment. It is a very old and primitive document, after all... 29:15 And Laban said unto Jacob, Because thou art my brother, shouldest thou therefore serve me for nought? tell me, what shall thy wages be? Jacob and His Cousins 29:16 And Laban had two daughters: the name of the elder was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel. 29:17 Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured. Jacob agrees to buy Rachael with 7 years labor 29:18 And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter. 29:19 And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me. 29:20 And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her. Jacob works for 7 years and then demands to have sex with Rachel 29:21 And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. 29:22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast. Jacob has sex with Leah by mistake 29:23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her. Laban gives Jacob Zilpah for a concubine 29:24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid. Jacob discovers that he had sex with Leah by mistake 29:25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? 29:26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. 29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. 29:28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. Laban gives Rachel to Jacob 29:29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid. Jacob has sex with Rachel 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel , and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years. God opened Leah's womb but Rachel was barren Jacob's wives Compete 29:31 And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren. 29:32 And Leah conceived, and bare a son, and she called his name Reuben: for she said, Surely the LORD hath looked upon my affliction; now therefore my husband will love me. 29:33 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Because the LORD hath heard I was hated, he hath therefore given me this son also: and she called his name Simeon. 29:34 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Now this time will my husband be joined unto me, because I have born him three sons: therefore was his name called Levi. 29:35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the LORD: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing."