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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E. T. who wrote (25661)	3/9/2004 7:24:37 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 25898

Israel showed good faith in 2000, did the PA? In 2000, Israel launched the Intifada, and then abandoned peace talks. The PA withstood the Israeli violence, and remained at the peace talks. Your're dreaming, being unrealistic, if you think 67 borders are an option. Correct. The idea of Israel obeying international law and respecting the rights of Arabs is indeed a pipe dream. Tom

To: E. T. who wrote (25661)	3/10/2004 1:16:35 PM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

I've lost the sense of what the Palestinian cause is, kill every jew in sight? My understanding is that they want a country of their own. One where there will be no Israeli tanks and armies, preferably. There are probably extremists among Palestinians who wish for the death of every Jew in Israel. There are probably also extemists in Israel who want Palestinians pushed out of the occupied territories and the land annexed to Israel. That doesn't mean that the Palestinian cause is the death of all Jews, just like it doesn't mean that the Jewish cause is forced immigration of Palestinians to the end of a land grab. Hence, the fence and more oppression Nobody can object to the right of a country to build a protective wall ON ITS OWN LAND. That is not what Israel is doing, though. Your're dreaming, being unrealistic, if you think 67 borders are an option I couldn't care less. It is, however, the only way Israel will establish the moral high ground that it's losing on a daily basis. Israel showed good faith in 2000, did the PA? We talked about this before. The proposal in 2000 did not talk about a viable state. I'd rather not spend more time talking about this, but it looked like there were reasons why that proposal was not acceptable. Now, whether it should still have been accepted or not, as a stepping stone on to a better offer, I don't know. But I do know that it was not an offer with a single block of land, full control over resources, and freedom to act as a sovereign state over them. What overtures to peace do the PA make now? Can you name anything? Off the top of my head - PA agreed with the Geneva incentive that certain Israeli and Palestinians signed as a blueprint for a formal deal. Can't say the same about Sharon. But it's not going to work, because the Palestinian culture isn't one with much substance. It's a society with a growing death wish I don't know much about the Palestinian culture so I can't agree with you re their lack of "substance". But I do agree with the death wish - it is a death wish that stems from the unbearable living conditions and the urge to take revenge for them. Always beware people who have nothing to lose, especially you just killed their loved ones...