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To: hal jordan who wrote (3843)3/14/2004 3:01:21 AM
From: Thomas M.  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 3959
 
Spain was a wakeup call to Europe

Yes, it was a wakeup call to the leaders who ignored their people and supported Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq.

Tom



To: hal jordan who wrote (3843)3/15/2004 3:48:51 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3959
 
Re: If it turns out that the bombing in Spain was carried out by an Arab group, not the ETA, then you will be feeling the heat even in Belgium.

As I said (*), the Madrid carnage was not executed by an Arab group... It was a "hackwork" by ETA "rogues" ON BEHALF OF an Arab secret service. In other words, ETA hirelings pulled the trigger while the gun itself was courtesy of... some Arab country. Former Spanish PM Aznar badly miscalculated and thought it possible for him to "rock the boat" of Spain's foreign policy... He failed to factor in the ETA variable in his new equation.

Now as regards Belgium being on the "hit list", I don't think so... Belgium's too small a fry for the terror players to bother with. However, it's quite possible that American and/or Israeli agents provocateurs, together with their Belgian accomplices within Belgium's intelligence apparatus, devise a terrorist attack in Antwerp, the country's Jewish hub. The expected payoff being a landslide for the Judeofascist party Vlaams Blok in the regional/European polls scheduled on June 14, 2004.

The most likely venue for the next terrorist attack is, imo, Normandy, France (see below). I think the assassination of French President Jacques Chirac will be a masterstroke by the Judeofascists --and a death blow against Europe's pro-Arab leanings....

Bush keeps France waiting over D-Day commemoration
Telegraph | 2.15.04


Posted on 02/14/2004 6:57:09 PM PST by ambrose

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(Filed: 15/02/2004)

The official invitation has been lying in his in-tray for several months, but President George W. Bush has failed to let the French know whether he will attend the 60th anniversary of the D-Day landings in June.

France's president, Jacques Chirac, is expecting at least 15 heads of state to be present at the commemorations marking the decisive Allied offensive against the Germans in Normandy on June 5, 6 and 7.

British guests will include the Queen, the Prince of Wales and Tony Blair, all of whom were officially invited during President Chirac's state visit to London in November last year.

The German chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, has also accepted the invitation to attend one of the most prestigious events on the international calendar this year. It is likely to be the last time that veterans will be able to mark a significant anniversary of the landings in any great number.

However, in the words of one Paris-based diplomat, Mr Bush is "making the French sweat". Relations between France and America have been strained since the French vehemently opposed US-Anglo military action against Saddam Hussein a year ago.

The French government is hoping that the D-Day commemorations will help break the ice between the two countries. President Bush's failure to respond to the invitation is seen as a mark of his continuing personal anger and bitterness over France's formation of an anti-Iraq war axis along with Germany and Russia.

While French officials maintain that it is "unthinkable" that Mr Bush will not attend, they admit that his presence is still "uncertain". A spokesman for the French ministry of defence said: "All the invitations would have been issued around the same time, but President Bush has not yet replied. There is no reason for him not to come. Perhaps the decision has not been taken yet."

Asked whether he expected a positive response from the White House, he could only say: "We hope he will be there." A spokesman for the American embassy in Paris, meanwhile, said: "We cannot say whether President Bush will attend or not, and we don't know who is going to come. The president has the G8 meeting in Florida two days later, so it's a matter of scheduling."

The snub comes despite recent high-level visits by senior French politicians to Washington. Neither Dominque de Villepin, the foreign minister, nor Michele Alliot-Marie, the defence minister, extracted a firm RSVP from President Bush.

"I know that President Bush will be in Europe around this time [of the commemorations] and we will see if he will be there," said Ms Alliot-Marie.

"It would be a certain symbol, but before this symbol, certain concrete measures will take place to show the rapprochement between the United States and France."

It will be the first time that a German chancellor has been invited to the D-Day commemorations, although the French have insisted that no German military uniforms will be on show. President Chirac and Chancellor Schröder will hold a separate, bilateral ceremony at the Peace Memorial in Caen.
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To: hal jordan who wrote (3843)3/15/2004 5:45:04 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 3959
 
Footnote:

As the article below shows, racketeering is ETA's main source of cash... Now if, as I guesstimated in a previous post, ETA "rogues" carried out the Madrid carnage for the round sum of one million dollars, that should allow ETA to grant Basque shopkeepers and business people a "Revolutionary Tax Amnesty" for the next five years!!

Signs that ETA is preparing attacks

Spanish and French police made a number of high-profile arrests of ETA members in the past year. In March Spanish police arrested nine suspected members of ETA, while French police arrested the head of the organization's military wing, Jose Javier Arizcuren-Ruiz, along with five other senior ETA members. Two months ago a number of ETA activists were arrested in France after the group raided an explosives factory. It was only the latest in a series of robberies at munitions depots and factories.

The robberies were not the only sign that ETA was stepping up its operations. Recently the organization began collecting protection money, which it calls "revolutionary tax" from companies in the Basque country. The money gleaned in this way has been a major source of funding for the group's terrorist activity.

ETA's fight for an independent Basque homeland has cost nearly 800 lives since 1968. During the ceasefire there were no major terror attacks. However, there were almost daily attacks in the Basque region against property belonging to local politicians, or against post office vehicles and banks, which are seen as symbols of Spanish sovereignty.

Spanish Interior Minister Jaime Mayor Oreja was quoted by AFP as saying that five young men had been arrested in Getxo, near the Basque capital Bilbao. They were accused of planting a bomb earlier this year at the home of a local deputy of the Popular Party and hurling molotov cocktails at a Civil Guard barracks.

Sources: Agence France Press, BBC, Associated Press

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To: hal jordan who wrote (3843)3/15/2004 10:26:17 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 3959
 
Collateral damage....

For Spain's Muslim families, grief may turn to fear of backlash

14-03-2004

By Charles M. Sennott

Madrid, The Boston Globe:


The Islamic prayer for the dead and the sobbing of mourners echoed within the towering white marble walls of the capital's central mosque yesterday. Family and friends were gathered to say a last goodbye to Sanae Ben Salah, a 13-year-old Moroccan girl killed in Thursday's terrorist bombings. She was taking the early morning train from her home in an outlying suburb to get to her school in Madrid.

At the sprawling Islamic Cultural Center, which houses the central mosque, mourners gathered for prayers before Ben Salah's body was to be flown back to her native Morocco for burial. "She was a precious girl. Beautiful and kind," said Amina Saruk, 45, a Moroccan immigrant whose daughter, Iman, was best friends with Ben Salah.

Her eyes swollen from tears, Iman, also 13, shook her head when asked about her friend and then began crying.

Ben Salah was one of at least seven Moroccan Muslims who were killed in the Madrid train bombings that took 200 lives and left 1,400 wounded. She and two Moroccan men were given funerals at the mosque yesterday before their bodies -- in gray metal crates covered in black cloth -- were wheeled out on gurneys, loaded into a van and transported to the airport for the flight to Morocco.

The estimated 200,000 Moroccans in Madrid have shouldered their share of the sorrow and the loss from Thursday's attacks. Many in Spain's Muslim community fear they may also have to shoulder a backlash against them if, as investigators believe, the attacks involved Islamic militants.

"I have raised four children here," said Saruk, who was wearing a traditional Islamic head scarf. "People have always been beautiful. Our children are integrated. But whoever committed this crime should pay for it. The people killed were working people, just normal families like ours," she added.

Three of the five suspects arrested yesterday were Moroccan residents of Lavapies, a Madrid neighborhood of narrow streets and run-down apartment buildings teeming with illegal immigrants from North Africa, India, Bangladesh, and Latin America.

The 42-year-old owner of an international call center on Tribulete Street in Lavapies, who gave his name only as Mohammed, said he feared the arrests could fuel a new wave of animosity toward Spain's Muslim population.

"Muslims have gotten along pretty well in Spain," he said, although a recent crackdown on illegal immigration has recently resulted in random police checks for residency cards. "But I am worried that things will change now. Yes, there could be problems if this was Al Qaeda," he said.

He added that he knew two of the suspects, who he said owned a call center just down the street. "I know them well. They are not criminals. They are people like you and me," he said.

If Muslim extremists were behind the bombings, old prejudices of Spain could surface. Those prejudices are grounded in a history of conflict with the country's Muslim neighbors dating back centuries.

For nearly 800 years, southern Spain was under occupation by Moors from North Africa until Spain's Catholic monarchs sacked the beautiful Moorish castle of Al Hambra and reconquered the southern city of Granada in 1492. In the 16th century, Muslims were expelled from Spain unless they converted to Christianity.

But the sprawling Islamic Cultural Center just off the M-30 highway in Madrid is in many ways a testament to the confidence and integration of Spain's modern Muslim community.

With its elegant Arabesque design, the massive structure was built with donations from the Saudi royal family, and the Saudi king attended the ribbon-cutting ceremony when it was opened in 1992.

Saif Ben Abdanour, an administrator of the Islamic Cultural Center, said, "Most people in Spain understand the Islamic community. Most people understand that the face of our whole community has changed to sadness. They understand we have suffered, too."

One of those who understood was Lorena Sirvia, 25, a student of psychology from Barcelona, who took time off to volunteer to help grieving families.

She was at the Islamic Cultural Center yesterday after spending the last two days assisting three Moroccan families through the grim process of identifying the remains of their loved ones.

"People in Spain can be very prejudiced against Islam," said Sirvia, who was raised Roman Catholic. "But I think this experience for us has brought all of us together."

Then a Moroccan woman came into the mosque crying and holding a photograph of her son and saying in Arabic, "I can't find him. Can you help me?"

Sirvia put her arm on the woman's shoulder and began listening.

muslimnews.co.uk