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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (6870)	3/20/2004 4:20:38 PM
From: blue red	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

I'll have to consult the grand jury he lied to. You really think lying about a sexual affair in a deposition is worse than lying about a war to the nation and the world?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (6870)	3/20/2004 11:59:15 PM
From: PartyTime	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

So a VVAW meeting was held and some issues too radical for Kerry were discussed, and Kerry consequently resigned from the organization. Your criticism might have some value had Kerry continued associating with the organization. He didn't. Understanding the context of such a meeting might be helpful also. And I can speak from this having myself once been affiliated with the VVAW Massachusetts organization. Lazarus, I don't know what you were doing or where you were then, but if your memory is fair you'll recall that those were very, very heavy days for everyone. It was around that time that four students were shot dead at Kent State, and about 300 US soldiers were dying weekly. All body bags were full! Those VVAW members saw many of their soldier friends die or decapitated; and they saw many more Vietnamese die, including women and children. Many of the VVAW members were wounded themselves. And, yes, many of those veterans were wounded in ways psychological from which they never recovered. And many died young because of this! There was a lot of anger back then, and Nixon wasn't helping much. Instead, Nixon sent agitators hoping to hoop up violence at many of the peace demonstrations, some of the ones at Colombia University in New York and other places. Based on my own experience back then, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that the conversation centering around killing United States senators could actually have came from Nixon-placed agitators. Things really were bad back then. Very, very bad--and it was indeed the US government that actually was killing people, and actively trying to destroy the peace movement. That conversation at a meeting turned real radical is not surprising at all. But for the most part, planning for political actions was directed at influencing support for peace more than anything else. And sometimes the direction of those conversations were that the destruction of things was very different than the destruction of people. Hence, civil disobedience of all kinds. But killing people? No. The VVAW organization was only concerned with getting the US out of Vietnam; it was concerned only with peace. At the time, the complaint we in Massachusetts had with Kerry was that he was using the organization for his own political benefit. For this I think he can be fairly criticized for. But as for what you're implying, Laz? Hey, you're just showing your GOPwinger stripes.