To: PartyTime who wrote (6924 ) 3/21/2004 3:00:43 AM From: Lazarus_Long Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976 some issues too radical for Kerry were discussed You mean like murder? And he says nothing to the cops? And this clown wants to head the US gov't?Your criticism might have some value had Kerry continued associating with the organization. He didn't. You've forgotten already?Message 19938441 And I can speak from this having myself once been affiliated with the VVAW Massachusetts organization. Somehow this does not surprise me. Lazarus, I don't know what you were doing or where you were then, but if your memory is fair you'll recall that those were very, very heavy days for everyone. Oh, I remember quite well. (What's that saying? "If you can remember the '60s, you weren't there." Well, I wasn't THERE, but I went through the '60s.) I opposed that war. But for different reasons. The gov't either had to drop it or fight it. It wouldn't do either. My prediction about '64 or '65 was that we would lose lots of men and ultimately declare victory and go home, leaving S. Vietnam to its fate. Which was just what happened. You're at war or you're at peace. Make up your mind, then act on it with everything you've got. And many died young because of this! 65,000, I understand. All for a clearly flawed "domino theory". All because a liberal, LBJ, insisted on having his cake and eating too: The Great Society (a miserable failure) and a great war. But not so great that it would piss off Russia or China. Sorry, LBJ. As that '60s song said, sometimes you have to make up your mind.There was a lot of anger back then, and Nixon wasn't helping much. D**N! I don't recall that LBJ did either. Remember the Democratic Convention in Chicago? Were those a bunch of Nixon supporters rioting? Was that intentional forgetfulness on your part? You want us to forget a liberal turned that from a squabble to a real war? Tough. Instead, Nixon sent agitators hoping to hoop up violence at many of the peace demonstrations, some of the ones at Colombia University in New York and other places. Prove it. Not that I am a Nixon fan. Great in some ways, but fatally flawed in some very important ones. Based on my own experience back then, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn that the conversation centering around killing United States senators could actually have came from Nixon-placed agitators. And I love the smell of desperation in the mornin'. But even granting that (which I will consider grasping hogwash till proven otherwise), he didn't call the cops, did he? Guilty. Cuff 'im.it was indeed the US government that actually was killing people, and actively trying to destroy the peace movement. Nice allegation. But that's all it is without proof. D**N, YOU ARE DESPERATE TO ESCAPE THIS! But for the most part, planning for political actions was directed at influencing support for peace more than anything else. Which is totally irrelevant to the matter under discussion. Jury is instructed to ignore those remarks by counsel for the defense and they shall be stricken from the record. Hence, civil disobedience of all kinds. Is that the term you use for murder? "Civil disobedience"?The VVAW organization was only concerned with getting the US out of Vietnam; it was concerned only with peace. Then I'm afraid you shall have to find a way to make that evidence to the contrary go away.But as for what you're implying, Laz? I'm implying nothing. There is eye and ear witness testimony that contradicts you. You're making excuses to evade the damning facts. You don't really think I'll let you get away with it, do you?