To: SofaSpud who wrote (3895 ) 4/12/2004 10:34:44 PM From: el_gaviero Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 38221 “It's certainly true that Lenin allowed some Jews to have important roles in the early Soviet years...” Interesting use of the word “allowed.” Sounds as if Jews with important roles were totally the responsibility of somebody else. But four of the top seven Bolshevik leaders were Jews --- and that’s not counting Lenin, who was partly Jewish – so “allowed” is probably not the right word. Jews were a necessary --- though not a sufficient --- condition for Bolshevism. “The literature on Hitler's early years seems pretty consistent that it was in pre-WWI Vienna that Hitler picked up the particularly vile strain of anti-Semitism...” There are vile anti-Semites running around all the time, including now. It took an unhinged moment in history to allow one to come to power. I would argue that Germans looking east would have been most unhinged by the wholesale slaughter they saw or heard about taking place there. “I would think it a fair statement to say that fear of communists during the inter-war period in Germany was rational. But it's facile to cloak already-established and virulent anti-Semitism with the respectability of anti-Communism. “ I’m not so sure. The Bolsheviks killed 25 million people. Jews were at the top of the party that carried out these killings, and in many cases, were actually in charge of the process, especially early on. “Moreover, the communists were effectively crushed by 1934.” Well, yes, we can say now that the Communists were crushed by 1934, but people’s perceptions always lag, and in any case, by 1934 the viral infection of Nazism had gotten established. “ ... a pogrom, such as the one that began with Kristallnacht a couple of years later, was in that context bereft of justification.” Whose talking about justifications? How could any of what happened be justified? A strange word, meretricious to the core. There is a sub-text to it --- i.e., that somebody is trying to justify murdering six million Jews. I am making two points: in the east of Europe during the inter-war period there was a high level of ethnic strife, masked and confused by political notions but at heart little more than a fairly ordinary case of tribe against tribe. In this strife the Jews took a big hit, but they were more responsible than any other people for bringing to power a party that killed 25 million. What bothers me is that, rather than being sobered by this experience, Jews make the holocaust the centerpiece of history. This is a racket of the purest sort. In the front yard is an innocent and good people, harried by 2000 years of anti-Semitism, while in the back yard, over the fence and behind the hedge, there are the Jews, unleashing a malevolent fury on Palestinians, making every attempt to drive Palestinians out of the West Bank and into exile.