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To: el_gaviero who wrote (3896)	4/12/2004 11:44:31 PM
From: twmoore	Respond to of 38222

"What bothers me is that, rather than being sobered by this experience, Jews make the holocaust the centerpiece of history. This is a racket of the purest sort. In the front yard is an innocent and good people, harried by 2000 years of anti-Semitism, while in the back yard, over the fence and behind the hedge, there are the Jews, unleashing a malevolent fury on Palestinians, making every attempt to drive Palestinians out of the West Bank and into exile. " This is what I have been saying.I could not have said it any better.

To: el_gaviero who wrote (3896)	4/13/2004 1:04:32 AM
From: SofaSpud	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 38222

But four of the top seven Bolshevik leaders were Jews --- and that’s not counting Lenin, who was partly Jewish... Did Zinoviev, Litvinov, et. al., do what they did because they were Jews? Since they were communists, it seems unlikely that they were Jews in any other than heritage. If they made it into Lenin's inner circle, they must have been "godless communists." I know lots of people who are Jewish by heritage, and as secular as people who are "Christian" by heritage who never bothered to be baptised. Does Lenin's ancestry, when he wasn't observant, make him something different than, say, someone whose forebears who were Quaker? In this strife the Jews took a big hit, but they were more responsible than any other people for bringing to power a party that killed 25 million. To emphasize the earlier point, "the Jews" in the USSR were by and large peasants who were being done unto just like the kulaks. It's not at all clear that Zinoviev et. at. were acting as Jews any more than Hitler acted as a baptized Catholic. The Bolsheviks killed 25 million people. Not quite right. The Soviets, once Stalin consolidated his hold, killed 25 million. It wasn't until the mid-30s that the purges really took hold, by which time Hitler had already consolidated his position. Moreover, it wasn't until Kruschev denounced Stalin's legacy, in the late 1950s, that there was acknowledgement of the Soviet tyranny. Prior to that time the purges and forced collectivization were rumour.