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To: Dale Baker who wrote (9237)	4/15/2004 6:09:31 AM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

One of the best posts I've seen on here. The nuts who blame everything on a group or a nation, e.g. international Jewish conspiracy, US inherently evil, are the best arguments for status quo. Real moderate debate will bring change. Hint from a former public affairs professional - screaming at people and calling them asses turns people off, not on. I am not surprised you were largely ignored then. And maybe now. Look at the right-leaning moderates on this thread. It only takes 5-10% of them nationwide to vote Kerry and Bush goes down in flames. But screaming and insults will drive them back to their noble leader who says what they want to hear, even though he does the opposite. JMHO.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (9237)	4/16/2004 12:51:37 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Dale, Re: Hint from a former public affairs professional - Thanks for the kind and generous advice. I tend to see life in a far more confrontational mode, and I also like to engage in "triangulation". There has been a large growth of alarmed progressive voices of decency being raised on SI over the past year or so. Many who were self-interested, casino-oriented stock chatters are now talking openly, regularly and with determination against the criminal operation in the White House. I like to think I give them some cover to be a bit more bold in what they feel comfortable with saying because I have the amazing ability to constantly say the most outrageous things about the Bushies and the Right Wing in general. In fact, I've only had to reconsider one barbeque joke recently. So, by being strident, I hope to allow people more of a comfort zone to express what they might otherwise be too timid to write otherwise. The other part of this is that when I ridicule the Right Wing, I fully realize that I'm not going to change their minds. Quite simply put, they have nothing between their ears except a vision of a fatter wallet. They are intractibly unamenable to concerns about morality, ethics, justice or decency. So, I don't try to make them what they can never be, i.e. complete human beings. But I can skewer the Right Wing as laughingstocks to make my readers (aka lurkers) smirk at these chimps. The best way I know how to treat the Right Wing is to ridicule it and hopefully embarrass it back into the ugly little cesspools it used to exist in here in America. I have no interest in converting Right Wingers. I simply want to do to them what a "Major League A$$hole"(1), Grover Norquist, wants to do to all of our decent social services. I want to take the Right Wing into the bathroom, fill the tub and drown them. *** 1) A direct quote from El Presidente Corrupto, El Pequeño Arbusto