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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Chas. who wrote (15057)	4/15/2004 7:56:34 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

<<August Gloop is a profoundly perceptive individual>> For your own honor and reputation - never say those words again. Your family and friends would be very ashamed! <g>

To: Chas. who wrote (15057)	4/16/2004 12:21:07 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Chuck, I'm not really an idealist. I consider myself a pragmatist. For instance I pay attention to what the Bush people do, not what they say. I pay attention to what their policies accomplish, not what they say they will accomplish or what they claim they have designed them to accomplish. I pay attention to the Israeli model that the Bush people emulate and the results that has netted for the Israeli nation. I pay attention to history and what it teaches us about the efforts of the Western world to change the Eastern world through the use of superior military force. I pay attention to the Iraqis who are voting against us with their lives and the lack of Iraqis who want to vote for our policies with their lives. I saw this coming, the Bush people claim they did not. I think they're spreading flower seeds in the Sahara and dreaming of a good crop, I'm not. The alternative to "forcing them" to see it our way is to get out of the way and let them find their own path. That's the way it will be despite all our "tooth fairy" simpleton thinking. In the meantime we need to undo as much of mutual behavior we can fairly enforce. There's nothing idealistic about that. A real idealist would believe in the Bush "dream" of a democratic, free, secular and friendly Iraq. That's not you is it Chuck?