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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (17101)	4/18/2004 4:45:15 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

Peter is also a part of the New Testament and what he said is that, you know, "we have not devised cunning tales in making known unto you the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His glory." Okay? Does this kind of stuff count when Peter just says in black and white, "Hey! We were eyewitnesses." You see....its always seemed strange to me all this time of arguments and apologies for Jesus's & the Christness of Christians or lack thereof , with even an ardent neo-believer such as yourself, that you should not give 'ol Peter the "Rock" , and the Fisher~of~man more air time ....but imo , you should . Message 20010225 maybe like Jesus , his message was just so simple sans miracles and fable fire and brimstone , as to be ignored ? Let's just try and -->accentuate the positive in the here and now ....not the imaginary hereafter ? ( Leave mysticism to the mystics and be so pragmatic as to allow for tollerance of the "best ideas" that can be agreed upon (and humanists have generated some of the greatest ideas ). And once again sans miracles , fables, chosen ones and religious dogmatic exclusivity.)

To: Greg or e who wrote (17101)	4/18/2004 4:50:03 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

The Gospel according to Johnny Mercer, Harold Arlen and Bing Crosby ;-) AC-CENT-TCHU-ATE THE POSITIVE (Mister In-Between) (Johnny Mercer / Harold Arlen) You've got to accentuate the positive Eliminate the negative Latch on to the affirmative Don't mess with Mister In-Between You've got to spread joy up to the maximum Bring gloom down to the minimum Have faith or pandemonium Liable to walk upon the scene (To illustrate his last remark Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark What did they do Just when everything looked so dark) Man, they said we better Accentuate the positive Eliminate the negative Latch on to the affirmative Don't mess with Mister In-Between No, do not mess with Mister In-Between Do you hear me, hmm? (Oh, listen to me children and-a you will hear About the elininatin' of the negative And the accent on the positive) And gather 'round me children if you're willin' And sit tight while I start reviewin' The attitude of doin' right (You've gotta accentuate the positive Eliminate the negative Latch on to the affirmative Don't mess with Mister In-Between) You've got to spread joy (up to the maximum) Bring gloom (down) down to the minimum Otherwise (otherwise) pandemonium Liable to walk upon the scene To illustrate (well illustrate) my last remark (you got the floor) Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark What did they say (what did they say) Say when everything looked so dark Man, they said we better Accentuate the positive Eliminate the negative Latch on to the affirmative Don't mess with Mister In-Between No! Don't mess with Mister In-Between

To: Greg or e who wrote (17101)	4/19/2004 2:20:51 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

120 Things ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, and NBC Won't Tell You About Jesus and the Bible Cont... 11. Paul’s writings are right in line with the Gospel accounts. Ankerberg: Now, pull Paul in here, too, in terms of showing that we have information that we could trust in the Synoptics and John via Paul because the Gospels may be "out" in terms of some of the scholars, but Paul is "in." Well, if Paul is "in," what does that tell you about the Synoptics? Evans: When some of the scholars say that Paul doesn’t really know the Gospel tradition or doesn’t relate to it, they’re wrong because you have the tradition of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in Paul in various places–like the words of institution: the Last Supper in 1 Corinthians 11; or the eyewitnesses of the Resurrection mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15. There is important Matthew, Mark, Luke tradition right there in Paul years before Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written. 12. At least two of the Gospel writers were eyewitnesses, the other two certainly knew eyewitnesses. Ankerberg: Peter Jennings said in the Special: "It is pretty much agreed among scholars that the Gospel writers were not eyewitnesses." What would you say to that? Evans: Well, two of the Gospel writers were not eyewitnesses but that does not mean they did not know eyewitnesses. Two of the other Gospel writers may very well have been–and that’s Matthew and John. And so again, Jennings’ statement reflects what I think is a hypercritical stand that’s entertained by some scholars but not by all. 13. The Gospels were written within a generation after Jesus’ death. Ankerberg: Another statement that he made was, "In fact, the Gospels were probably written 40 to 100 years after Jesus’ death." Where would you place them? Evans: Okay, 40 to 100 years. That’s way too far. I would put them more like 35 to 50 years after Jesus’ death. Ankerberg: And if they are 35 to 50 years after Jesus’ death, if He died in 30 A.D. and they’re on the newsstands at 60 A.D. up to say 85 A.D., what does that tell you about the content of those books? Evans: Well, the books are written within the lifetime of eyewitnesses and written in the lifetime of people who knew what Jesus said and did. That’s another important thing about it. The Gospels are very honest about the criticism that’s leveled against Jesus. And so you have some critics saying, "Oh, sure. He performs miracles. Yes, He can cast out demons. But He had Satan’s help in doing that." And the Gospels acknowledge, admit that, yeah, there’s controversy. But what I find interesting, as a historian, is that whether you accept Him or not, whether you believe in Him or not, everybody acknowledges He did those things.