There's plenty of historical info to support the number...here's just one of numerous sources...
waszak.com
a single web page is your plentyness of the historical evidence?
other references ?
How about OFFICIAL estimates... ? don't bother searching, there are none published (see below)
Let's take Normandy... 'D' Day, a battle that it is considered to have taken 77 days.
An actual (not projected) invasion, where Armies from 5 different nationalities (i.e Australian, Canadian, American, British, French....) participated --presenting the possibility of a numer of tactical errors against a well trained German Army.
The casualties of such invasion are grossly estimated at 550,000 MOSTLY MILITARY PARTICIPANTS
wwwa.search.eb.com
*NO FALLOUT*
with this note as an important disclosure:
Editor's Note: Casualty Figures for the Normandy Invasion The exact number of casualties suffered in the invasion of Normandy will never be known. The principal reason for this was the multinational nature of the campaign. On the Allied side, the various armies had differing record-keeping procedures, differing concepts of what constituted the beginning and end of the campaign, and differing notions of who should be included within their statistics. On the German side, not only were casualties suffered on a huge scale and at a terrific pace but also entire military units were destroyed as functioning entities--and with them their record-keeping abilities. On the French civilian side, accurate record keeping suffered owing to population movement, difficulties in distinguishing combat-related deaths from deaths indirectly related to the conflict, and a disinclination on the part of the belligerent forces to keep count of civilian casualties. The casualty figures shown in the bar graph either were selected from official histories or were provided by advisers as estimates on which general agreement could be expected. They are presented here mainly for purposes of comparison and to give a sense of the scale of the human losses.
you mean to tell me that Japan's army, who was already willing to surrender was about to inflict 3 times the casualties of the Normandy invasion... the largest ever invasion in military history ?
AND...
comparing the Normandy invasion really is not a 'fair' comparison since the American army of those days was only recently formed and had NO experience of a campaign as complex as Normandy was....
WHEREAS...
In Japan, the experience of Normandy gave the American army a superb advantage... over the Japanese army... (Not to mention the "Kill Ratio" of the American army -vs- the Japanese... i.e. 1 - 22 (killed) and 1 - 5 (injured)
but never mind that shit...
Truman went and he considered the dropping of two bombs, an event that took all but a few minutes...
killed about 340,000 CIVILIANS (and an UNKNOWN number of CIVILAINS that continued to die, suffer, maimed etc...) as a result of the effects of radiation...
not to mention other considerations... such as....
* Germany had already surrendered, ALL efforts would be on Japan.
* The real reason (in my eyes) to impress upon the USRR to ease its expansionist policies, since the US had the necesary might to stop them. and...
* a desire of revenge fro Pearl Harbor.
Your estimate of 1.5 million casualties goes along those who attempt to justify the nuclear droppings, such as Truman's & Churchil's however, NO documentation has ever been presented.
General McArthur's staff made te following 'estimations' of such a venture...
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en.wikipedia.org
Estimated Casualties
After the war, in their justification to use the Atomic bomb, Harry Truman, Henry Stimson, and Winston Churchill all claimed that the invasion of Japan would could cost in excess of a million allied casualties. Official sources for these claims have never been shown.
In prior combat against the Japanese, MacArthur's forces had a kill ratio of twenty-two Japanese for every American, and a injury ratio of five Japanese per American. Unlike in previous operations, the Kanto plain would lend itself well to American mobility, and increase the ratio further in favor of the Americans.
MacArthur's staff made the following estimates about American casualties for Olympic:
X-day plus 15: 9,272
X-day plus 30: 22,576
X-day plus 60: 55,906
X-day plus 90: 124,935
Of these, roughly a fourth would be fatalities.
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my note:
that would be = 25% of 125,000 = 31,250 (more in line with the earlier estimate I cited of 40,000 - 46,000)
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These estimates roughly coincide with the casualties suffered during the D-Day campaign, which had sustained 63,360 casualties in the first forty-eight days. (John Ray Skates, The Invasion of Japan, p.79)
External links and references
Giangreco, D. M., "Transcript of OPERATION DOWNFALL (US invasion of Japan) -- US plans and Japanese counter-measures". US Army Command and General Staff College, 16 February 1998. (Presentation on Downfall)
Allen, Thomas B., "Operation Downfall". Houghton Mifflin Reader's Companion to Military History.
Bauer, J., "Operation Downfall: Olympic, Coronet; World War II in the Pacific, The Invasion of Japan". ww2pacific.com.
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Historically the US has committed enough atrocities of its own, it is true that in the heat of battle it is hard to control events....
but the lies ? why the lies? and hidden agendas ?
like saying that Hiroshima was a military base (which it was not)
like Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq....
aided by Weapons of Mass Deception in the US media. |
