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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (41098)4/27/2004 10:36:07 AM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793964
 
"Now the Marines have to make an example of Fallujah."

Actually the Marines need to make a statement of what America is all about, that is if we are truly who we believe ourselves to be. And domestically bush must rid himself of guys like rummy and replace them with guys like peters. And someone must level with the american people. The left can only be neutralized if there is an atmosphere of strength in Washington along with an openness in reporting the truth. When we hit the mosques, schools and orphanages these bastards are using for cover, it must be made clear to the american people that in wartime this is not allowed and that the unintended consequences of the battles are caused not by us but by them. Mike



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (41098)4/27/2004 11:18:48 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793964
 
The sad truth is that Arabs, taken as a group, as a political entity (which always includes an admixture of jihadists and thugs) make it impossible to be nice to them, because they take it for weakness.

There is a extremely long article on this subject at TCS today. The Muslim Renovatio and U.S. Strategy, By Michael Vlahos. Vlahos is currently a senior member of the Joint Warfare Analysis Department at Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Maryland. He is a graduate of Yale University, and received both his masters and Ph.D from the Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy, Tufts University. techcentralstation.com

Vlahos believes that our view that we are dealing with "Terrorists" and that this is a "Civil War" within the Muslim world is incorrect. He thinks we are dealing with neither terrorism nor civil war, but rather a "world-historical" movement of Islamic revival.

This alternative model suggests that terrorism cannot be truly abstracted as a separate phenomenon within the Muslim World, but instead must be seen as part of a bigger change movement within that world. Likewise, there is no civil war between mythical "moderates" - meaning "reasonable" Muslims who just want to live and let live - and wild-eyed "radicals" who would burn it all down. In contrast the larger Islamist restoration movement seeks to purify the Muslim World of corrupt and apostate tyrants. The movement has many elements and agendas, and thus many paths to this goal. Like many broad movements with revolutionary goals, most are non-violent. The example of Islamists in Egypt and Turkey suggests that the majority of Islamists seek their goals through peaceful means, and the world they would create is couched in surprisingly moderate and tolerant terms.

But the goal shared by all Islamists is nonetheless a radical goal. The restoration of Islam would mean an end to Western style secular civil society in the Muslim World, even if it led to an Islamic civil society that Westerners might not find uncomfortable.


A bit "Academic," but worth a look.