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To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (18709)4/27/2004 10:16:04 PM
From: mphRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Frankly I wouldn't get too excited about some January '04
article coming out of Canada that refers to bills being
pressed by Democrats and mentions them by numbers.

Strikes me as a huge leap to infer that the entire
Federal Government is in on some plot to sneak this
by, when it's all right there on the Rangel/Hollings sites
and numerous other places.

I'm not quite getting your evident notion that
this is something Bush is trying to sneak by.

Not everything is a conspiracy.



To: Patricia Trinchero who wrote (18709)4/28/2004 11:10:09 AM
From: Selectric IIRespond to of 81568
 
A draft cannot be had without statutory authority. That legislation is being proposed by Rangel and Hollings, both Democrats.

What planet are you on? Do you really think local draft boards can activate themselves, round up people, and send them to Iraq?????????? You really ought to learn how things work before spewing your vituperrious hate speech any further.

I found a good response from somebody who received that loathsome, mass fearmongering email. Here it is, if you care to learn something instead of spreading rumors:

"J,

I hope this doesn't offend you, but...

Your good intentions have made you vulnerable.

This letter says "The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW..."

The house bill (HR163) is sponsored by Charlie Rangel and consponsored by Jim McDermott, also Conyers, Stark, Lewis, and Abercrombie. The Senate bill (S89) is sponsored by Ernest (Fritz) Hollings. Both bills were introduced in January of 2003.

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Charlie Rangel is a Democrat congresscritter from Brooklyn who opposed the war.

Jim McDermott is a Democrat from Washington state. You'll recall him as the guy who went to Iraq before the war, and WHILE HE WAS THERE stated PUBLICLY that he trusted Saddam Hussein more than George Bush. All the other aforementioned cosponsors are Democrats. (For whatever it's worth, at least three of them are members of the congressional black caucus. I'm not sure about Abercrombie.)

Ernest (Fritz) Hollings is a Democrat from South Carolina.

The Senate bill sponsored by Fritz Hollings in January of last year is now coming to a vote, where it will be overwhelmingly voted down by BOTH PARTIES.

SOME Democrats, the more unscrupulous ones, (Rangel, McDermott, Hollings and the other four among them) will use it as a means to spread disinformation and fear among the masses about a draft so they can play it to their political advantage by dividing Americans against one another. With the help of suspicious mouthpiece organizations like "The Progressive Alliance."

Why would these guys do this? Could it be to give ammunition to outfits like this "Progressive Alliance" to spread disinformation among well-intentioned people in support of some hidden agenda, and to morbidly frighten the grandmothers of this country? (Note that this letter says "Tell all the parents, teachers, aunts, uncles, grandparents, godparents...) How heartless and cynical can these people get?

The fact is that our military people don't want a draft. They say that they get a higher quality of soldier/sailor/marine/airman with an all-volunteer force, and they also remember the drug problems, low morale, crime, etc, that came into the military in the Vietnam era with a draft.

Personally, I'm suspicious of any organization that uses the word "Progressive" in its name; it probably means something else. In this case, it means someone is trying to whip up some anger against the only people they mention in their letter, "Bush", "Rumsfeld", "Tom Ridge", and "The Administration".

Why didn't they mention Rangel, McDermott, and Hollings? Why do they mention Bush, Rumsfeld, Tom Ridge, and "The Administration" when "None of the above" had anything to do with introducing either of these bills, and in fact are having nothing to do with either of them? In this case, it looks like "Progressive" means "We don't tell the truth because we have an agenda of our own."

J, I can't NOT say it. This election is going to be very important (they all are, of course, but this one especially.) We all have our own points of view, and we all have our own ideas to contribute to discussion of the issues, but none of us can afford to be misinformed, misled, or frightened by the likes of these heartless, cynical, manipulative people at "The Progressive Alliance." Please don't send me any more stuff from any outfit that has the word "Progressive" in its name.

Chairman Mao called himself "Progressive", you know.

Your bud,

OKSOONER"