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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (130470)	4/29/2004 12:31:50 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think you missed the first part of the conversation. I was the question from a post-American occupied Iraq perspective. Well, this is what you posted here: Message 20069932 Let me suggest another "what's hard to believe;" it's hard to believe that Iraq had ANY stockpiles of wmds. I think the whole of issue of WMDs has been rendered academic cnyndwllr.. Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20, and can not be used to determine whether an action was justified or not in the first place. Everyone believed Saddam still had WMDs, and he encouraged such a belief.. He certainly did nothing to discourage it. We attacked because Saddam's regime FAILED to take the required steps to remain in compliance with the cease fire accord that ended Desert Storm and temporarily permitted Saddam to remain in power (so long as he complied). He was given countless opportunities to comply over the period of 13 years, yet he fought every one of them tooth and nail. We caught him red-handed previously, especially with regard to the nuclear related documentation his, now deceased, son-in-law, provided us (turkey farm). And his people lied about the number of WMDs expended against Iran (which led to the departure of inspectors in 1998, and collapse of all inspections for 5 years). Many people seem to forget that fact.. It is really irrelevant what the post-war investigation uncovers, except to put the pieces of the Baathist puzzle together so we have a full understanding of what transpired under Saddam's regime. The fat is in the fire.. We haven't found any WMDs yet, but we still have the more important task of trying to rebuild and restructure Iraq into becoming a self-sufficient and stable country, with a government that is accountable to the will and wishes of ALL of its people. The mission has changed. We're no longer worried about the possibility of Saddam possessng and using WMDs. We're worried about preventing the country from falling into civil war and being dominated by Islamo-Fascists (who seem to really believe that their goal of dominating Iraq is worth fighting and dying for). So forget the WMD issue, will ya? The entire world, including Arab intelligence agencies with people "inside" were fooled by Saddam. And if any of those weapons show up, we'll deal with the issue them.. (especially if they were shipped to Syria).. But right now we need to focus on countering the Baathist and Islamo-Fascist resistance and prevent this nation from plunging into civil war.. And none of the discussion about WMDs helps promote that agenda. Hawk

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (130470)	4/29/2004 1:10:12 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>The people trail is not there, thus the overwhelming likelihood is that the wmds were not there. Bush and his administration must know that and Kay must have explained the basis for his conclusions to them. For Cheney and Bush, and to a lessor extent Colin Powell, to continue with the weak claims such as "they could be hidden in a ...turkey farm" shows deception, not real uncertainty. >>> The WMD's were there , in varied facilities,at one time,and then they were gone- sometime between 1991 and 2003. Some human moved them, or destroyed them, and they did not just evaporate. Yet there is no people trail, no paper trail. Did a scientist return to his plant one day and find the kettles empty? Did a Syrian trucker smash the locks and empty the kettles at night?. What did the scientist tell his staff the next day when there was nothing left to work with.? Did he personally burn or bury the product, that night, with no help.?. The stuff is dangerous in the extreme. I dont think he carried ten tons outside one bucketful at a time. Procedures must have been applied to its movement to prevent disasters. IMO somebody knows something and I have waited a year for him or her to be found, but nothing yet. Sig