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To: Thomas M. who wrote (21543)	4/29/2004 5:13:09 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 45639

<<Yes, I am against wars of aggression. And I don't like it when people celebrate them on a football thread.>> Nobody was celebrating a thing. Sandy said: Men like Tillman don't come along very often. How many of us would walk away from a million dollar contract to serve his country? Then you said - in your normal GET A REACTION FASHION Bin Laden gave up the millionaire lifestyle to help Afghanistan defend itself. So the fact is YOU brought politics into this. Sandy's remark was about a football player who quit and enlisted. Your response was to politicize and polarize a football players death by injecting that garbage. Don't blame anyone else for your stupidity - you've earned it all yourself Jethro

To: Thomas M. who wrote (21543)	4/29/2004 8:09:07 PM
From: Tom C	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 45639

The author provided no evidence to support his view. None. The author made up something that fits his view. How many people did he talk to that actually knew Tillman? Did he talk to the soldiers in his unit?

To: Thomas M. who wrote (21543)	4/30/2004 10:45:27 AM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 45639

Thomas M View: <<the author expressed his views rather articulately.>> My View: <<Though on the surface his death is no greater than the death of any other soldier - It's the story that people are focusing on. Thats why its gotten all the coverage.>> And now the Apology Thursday, April 29, 2004 Associated Press AMHERST, Mass. -- A University of Massachusetts at Amherst graduate student has apologized to Pat Tillman's family. Rene Gonzalez wrote a column for the campus paper saying the football player-turned-soldier who died in combat in Afghanistan wasn't a hero -- but rather a "G.I. Joe guy who got what was coming to him." Gonzalez did not respond to telephone and e-mail messages left Thursday by The Associated Press, but in an e-mail to Boston's WBZ-TV, he apologized to the Tillman family "for all the pain that my article has brought them." Gonzalez said he was trying to convey that Tillman's celebrity came into play when the former Arizona Cardinals player was labeled a hero. "I felt that his celebrity had been a factor in American society calling him a 'hero,' and I felt American society had arrived at that conclusion without much thinking, but rather as some sort of patriotic 'knee-jerk' into hero worship," he wrote. "That was my point. I did it [admittedly] in such an insensitive way, that the article was not worth publishing." UMass president Jack Wilson issued a statement saying the comments in The Daily Collegian on Wednesday were "a disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature attack on a human being who died in service to his country." The newspaper's editorial board ran a letter to readers in Thursday's edition saying Gonzalez's views do not reflect The Collegian's opinion. ____________________________________________________________ Thomas - Do your country a favor - grab a rope and hang yourself you piece of human debris