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To: one_less who wrote (44379)4/30/2004 2:35:34 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
If this administration WOULD RELEASE ACTUAL FIGURES OF WOUNDED AND DEAD of BOTH SIDES the numbers would be a lot closer to reality.....as it is with the new MERCENARIES FIGHTING OUR WAR....THEY BURY THE TRUTH ONCE AGAIN....and NEITHER BUSH has EVER GIVEN THE REAL NUMBERS OF THE IRAQI'S THEY HAVE KILLED TRYING TO "LIBERATE" them.....or should I say...JAM OUR DEMOCRACY DOWN THEIR THROATS
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To: one_less who wrote (44379)4/30/2004 4:20:40 PM
From: sylvester80  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 89467
 
Your numbers are a fantasy NOT FACT! Not finding WMDs IS A FACT! BTW, Iraq dealt with an 8 year Iran Iraq war and 2 civil wars. That lying criminal POS Bush in just 1 year has butchered and murdered 25+ thousand innocent people women and children, not counting the 1 million people women and children that were murdered during the 1st Gulf war by his dad from the use of DU, and not counting the millions more that will die from the DU used on this one (100 times more than the first Gulf war) by his criminal lying son.

So let us know when you come up with some actual FACTS rather than coming up with make believe sh*t from the pens of right wing moron hypocrites. BTW, that tally you are talking about is a Reagan/Bush tally not a Saddam tally:

"Saddam invaded Iran with the help of America, who saw him as a useful surrogate against Ayatollah Khomini. Reagan and Bush administration backed Saddam in his war with Iran with military intelligence, economic aid and covert supplies of munitions.

After Rumsfield’s visit to Baghdad in 1983, US intelligence began supplying him with satellite photos of the Iranian troops’ deployment. Americans also secretly arranged for tanks and other military hardware to be shipped to Iraq. Reagan and Bush also supplied Saddam with, among other items, chemical-analysis equipment for the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC) and numerous shipments of “bacteria / fungi /protoza” to the IAEC. The bacterial cultures could be used to make biological weapons, including anthrax. Now you know the culprit who supplied Saddam with the biological weapons. The helicopters which were used to spray poison gas on the Kurds were also supplied by the Reagan/Bush Administration. State departments also knew that Saddam was using chemical weapons against Iranian troops and the Americans blamed Iran when they knew from their satellite imagery that it was their friend Saddam who bombed Kurdish rebels and civilians with a lethal cocktail of mustard gas, sarin, tabun and vx in 1988.

The US Commandos also assisted Iraq by blowing up Iranian oil platforms and attacking Iranian patrol boats. In addition, the US shot down an Iranian airbus in 1988 killing 290 civilians. Up to today, no action is taken to bring the culprits to justice. Saddam learnt how to blow up Kuwaiti oilfields from his friends, the Americans. What would happen to Iran if it had shot down an American civilian plane? Would not the Americans bomb them to the stone age as they have done to Afghanistan although none of its citizens were responsible for the September 11 incident? Has the message of the “prince of peace” gotten lost in the shuffle?"


Rumsfeld at better times:
bartcop.com



To: one_less who wrote (44379)4/30/2004 4:44:59 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 89467
 
McCain rebukes Sinclair 'Nightline' decision Station owner orders affiliates not to air program
(CNN) -- The decision of Sinclair Broadcast Group, which ordered its seven ABC stations not to broadcast Friday's "Nightline," has received criticism from U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona).
Friday's show will air the names and photographs of the more than 500 U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war.
"Your decision to deny your viewers an opportunity to be reminded of war's terrible costs, in all their heartbreaking detail, is a gross disservice to the public, and to the men and women of the United States Armed Forces," McCain, a Vietnam veteran, wrote in a letter to David Smith, president and CEO of Sinclair Broadcast Group. "It is, in short, sir, unpatriotic. I hope it meets with the public opprobrium it most certainly deserves."
In a statement online, the Sinclair group said the "Nightline" program "appears to be motivated by a political agenda designed to undermine the efforts of the United States in Iraq."
Sinclair's decision, announced Thursday, drew angry calls from the public and a sharp response from ABC News.
"We respectfully disagree with Sinclair's decision to pre-empt 'Nightline's' tribute to America's fallen soldiers," ABC News said in a statement. "The 'Nightline' broadcast is an expression of respect which simply seeks to honor those who have laid down their lives for this country."
Some of the stations have received many calls and e-mails in response to Sinclair's decision.
"I have not gotten one positive response," said an assignment desk editor at WSYX, the ABC station in Columbus, Ohio.
WEAR in Pensacola, Florida, has been inundated with phone calls and e-mails. A man who answered the phone in the station's newsroom said people mostly wanted to know why the decision was made.
On the Web site for WLOS in Asheville, North Carolina, the station invited viewers to e-mail the station and said it would forward the messages to Sinclair.
The company's other ABC stations are in St. Louis, Missouri; Charleston, West Virginia; Winston-Salem, North Carolina; and Springfield, Massachusetts.
Debate over images
The show, titled "The Fallen," will air at 11:35 p.m. Friday. In it, newsman Ted Koppel will read the names of the U.S. troops killed in action while their pictures are shown to viewers.
As of Thursday, 533 U.S. troops have been killed in action in the Iraq war; another 204 troops have died from nonhostile incidents.
Sinclair general counsel Barry Faber confirmed the company told its ABC affiliates not to air Friday's "Nightline."
"We find it to be contrary to public interest," he said.
ABC said that on the first anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, it aired the names and pictures of all those who died on that day.
"ABC News will continue to report on all facets of the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism in a manner consistent with the standards which ABC News has set for decades," it said.
Similarly, USA Today led its front page Friday with photos of every U.S. soldier who died in Iraq in April. One hundred thirty-four American troops died in the month, of which 119 have been identified by the Pentagon, the paper noted; it ran pictures of the 116 for which photos were available.
Sinclair's statement said ABC is politicizing the war.
"Mr. Koppel and 'Nightline' are hiding behind this so-called tribute in an effort to highlight only one aspect of the war effort and in doing so to influence public opinion against the military action in Iraq," the statement said.
According to campaign finance records, four of Sinclair's top executives each have given the maximum campaign contribution of $2,000 to the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign.
The executives have not given any donations to the campaign of Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic nominee, the records showed.
Sinclair owns and operates, programs, or provides sales services to 62 stations in 39 markets, according to its Web site.
In addition its ABC outlets, Sinclair's television group includes 20 Fox, 19 WB, six UPN, three CBS and four NBC affiliates, and two independent stations.
It reaches approximately 24 percent of all U.S. television households, according to the Web site.
ABC News will show the tribute live on its large television screen in New York's Times Square.

edition.cnn.com



To: one_less who wrote (44379)5/1/2004 2:17:16 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 89467
 
JotW,

Do you happen to have the tallies for the numbers of Shiites and Kurds who were murdered in the aftermath of Desert Storm after George H.W. Bush incited them to rebellion and then betrayed them to Saddam's gunships? Clearly Bush is more responsible for those deaths than anyone else.

Then again, how about the number of Iraqis who died due to the harshness of the U.S./UK genocidal sanctions regime throughout the 1990s? How many died then?

Here's a hint for you. The total deaths caused by these two deliberate acts by American leaders is minimally 1,200,000 and more likely about 1,500,000 Iraqis murdered at the hands of Americans from 1991 to the present.

Just who is the monster, exactly?