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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (130829)	5/1/2004 9:59:13 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"And it was right to overthrow Saddam... In fact, it was wrong NOT to overthrow him in 1991." Can you tell me how you know this is right? Is it based on results? What if the results end up killing more people than Saddam would have, is it still right? And if it is still right, why is it right? And where does the US get the legal justification to invade countries to change their leadership? If the criteria is human rights abuses will we soon be going to Africa to install "freedom" there? Will we be going global with our "what is right" policy- or is Iraq a special case?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (130829)	5/1/2004 4:41:46 PM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

It appears that you have deluded yourself with a saintly view of the US military. To disabuse you of that notion and to deprive you of the excuse that you didn't know, read the report. Here is an excerpt. The army report listed abuses such as "breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; ... beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick." story.news.yahoo.com of course all this is known to the US army. But it not reveal its existance until the knowledge had gooten wide-spread and it couldn't be hidden. And by the way, the US defense department had told CBS to suppress the report on 60 minutes, and CBS complied. Until the pictures were being shown by non-US media, so now they try to salvage the situation by trying to appear as though the reports are self-generated.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (130829)	5/1/2004 5:16:41 PM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> So she lied... When a party lies, and never admits its lie, even after it is documented as a lie, it puts in doubt all the rest of that party's assertions. There is no doubt that the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait committed atrocities that should be punished. Let's make a deal. We will both support investigations into the killing of civilians by all countries. In fact since you have such ardent admiration for the UN, let's both support the creation of aa international court of justice to investigate reported atrocities by ALL countries and punish them ? Deal ? Great. Thanks for your support. And by the way, remember, that would include atrocities by ALL COUNTRIES. Is the concept of a double standard beyond your comprehension. I will accept as true that Iraq murdered many hundreds, possibly two thousand people in Kuwait. Without a doubt that crime should be punished. The United states caused the death of three million people in VietNam. We know, despite the initial attempts to hide it, that Lt William S. Calley, a member of the United States military, murdered 600 unarmed civilians in a ditch in VietNam. Was that a crime or not ? Did it precede any crimes in Kuwait or not ? Would you like to apply the standard of punishment that was used for the MyLai crime to the crimes in Kuwait ? The MyLai number of victims was an equal number to the people you claim are buried in samawa. Would it suit you if the Kuwait perpetrators were placed under house arrest, tried, then sentenced to ... a year in prison, then pardoned ? The problem in discussing anything with people who, like you, practice a double standard, is that you want other people to be subject to laws, but you don't want to abide by them. So I'll offer you this extra special deal. When an Iraqi or palestinian kills someone, track him down and try him for murder. And when one of your buddies in the Israeli army kills someone, do the same. You will have my support for any office you chose to run for. I'll just remind you that Israel kill ratio is 10 to 1. So you might not come out to advantage in this one. I sincerely hope you will write your senator to support the International Court of Justice idea. --------------------------------- And the most laughable of your claims is this : >><If the UN is going to mean ANYTHING, the very few binding resolutions that it has passed in its history MUST BE ENFORCED. As long as countries have a right of Veto that they wield on behalf of their friends, unsc resolutions are just bs crap. Yhe unsc is just a mafia club where the large countries have discussions of how to control the world for their benefit.