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To: Brumar89 who wrote (9901)	5/2/2004 9:51:39 AM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Brumar - that is not true. I have seen several people on SI try to make excuses for it - and justify why these people were not trained, etc. - none of which explains it in any way. I had one person tell me on SI it was not torture. What does this sound like to you: The army report listed abuses such as "breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees; ... beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape; allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell; sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick." It wasn't abuse - it was torture. IT is unacceptable for US forces that have invaded Iraq to engage in this. Period. Who has condemned all US service personnel? Not I. Show me where. IF you are talking about someone else - say so. Will YOU condemn now those soldiers that participated in the torture. Will YOU say you are shamed by them, and that the book should be thrown at them? I'm more interested in what you would say to them if you could? I hope you would not make excuses for them, or try to downplay it as something that "always will happen..." What if that were your relative in a hood, made to stand there and be tortured. Put yourself in their place for a moment. What if a foreign power invaded the US, killed thousands of civilians, then took your relative and tortured them - and then posed with their soldiers for a picture for sport - so they would have sadistic souveneirs? Would that be OK? If not - then speak up about this now - and condemn it. Don't try to change the subject to all US soldiers. We are talking about the small group of bastards - not soldiers - but criminals - who did this. Anyone who refuses to strongly condemn it is complacent in it.