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To: unclewest who wrote (41804)5/2/2004 10:45:50 AM
From: Rambi  Respond to of 793597
 
Thanks for the information, uw.

I grew up in Lexington, Va, in the shadow of VMI. They had a ritual conducted in the middle of the night for cadets who violated the code called "drumming out". I remember as a child hearing the cadets who came to our home for dinner refer to the ritual in hushed tones and how they never spoke of the cadet to whom it happened. I think seeing a drumming out was very emotional for them. I can remember that it involved ripping off the buttons off the uniform, and turning their backs on a fellow cadet as he was led off the parade ground. I don't really know if this was true, but in my head I always imagined the roll of drums throughout, which gave it an eerie, scary quality for me as a child.
There was not much room for worrying about hurting someone's feelings or feeling sorry for the cadet who had broken the code and it wasn't personal. Honor was something, back then at least, these cadets valued above all else and they didn't question the punishment or the reasoning behind it. You just didn't cheat, steal, hurt others, and if you did, you no longer deserved to be a cadet.
Seeing those pictures, I was struck by the memory of those young men in their clean, pressed uniforms who sat at our table- polite, erect, mature, inevitably kind to me and my brother. They were such fine, fine young men-- and even when I was old enough to date them, be with them away from my parents, they stayed honorable!
Maybe that's why those pictures bothered me so much. I don't know. I want to believe that same honor and integrity still guides people today, the way it did those young cadets. And it's such a rude slap in the face to see such a violation of what they stood for.



To: unclewest who wrote (41804)5/2/2004 10:53:52 AM
From: Mary Cluney  Respond to of 793597
 
<<<During a Court-Martial, lack of training will not be an acceptable excuse for rape, sodomy, or assault and battery...period.>>>

In any sizable group of young people, whether on the campus of an elite university, or practically anywhere, you will find people capable of doing detestable things.

What holds many of these young thugs back are normally - peer pressure, institutional or organizational values, and a chain of command that is committed to the institutional or oganizational values.

Up until now, our military (from a large number perspective) has been exemplary.

The problem with increasing partisanship - everything our people do is okay because the other side is evil - the chain of command will have people that don't belong there but is only there because he is a friend of someone on "our" side.

Partisanship cuts both ways. The result is the same. There is breakdown in all the things that make up our civilization.

Division within our own community is probably worse than anything our enemies can do to us.



To: unclewest who wrote (41804)5/2/2004 12:08:06 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793597
 
Unk,

If we are to have any credibility with the suggestion that our brand of democracy is superior to any form of governance in place in the Arab world, we have to live by our principles and enforce our own values. Thus, the men and women responsible for whatever may have happened to the Iraqi prisoners must be swiftly and, more importantly, publicly punished.

And while I think that what must be done should carry a message that the Arab world should understand, I am pessimistic that punishing the transgressors in the appropriate manner will have the desired effect, at least initially. There are simply too many conspiracy-minded fools in the region.

I suppose that if I had been feed a ration of falsehoods for eons, had been brutalized by thugs and tyrants, had been intentionally kept uneducated, and had been fed a steady diet of "the Jooos did it" for my main meals, it would take a long stream of consistently good behavior on the part of the US and the West to change perceptions. One instance of improper behavior, such as the one being reported, does a hell of a lot of damage to any fragile credibility we might be building.

I am troubled that the Iraqis might focus on this one instance, which does not even begin to compare to Saddam's regime's abuses, to reinforce the notion that we are hypocritical thugs no different than Saddam and his ilk.



To: unclewest who wrote (41804)5/2/2004 2:11:53 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793597
 
I have seen his posters, and they really are offensive. In addition, he has used his supposed service in posts to really put down other bloggers. Here is a sample.

I've seen combat to "liberate" people before in Panama. Have you? Did you volunteer to fight for your country? I fucking doubt it. I especially doubt your leg ass ever made it through Airborne School and I KNOW for a fact that you wouldn't have survived one week of Ranger School.

Rangers Lead the Way in Exposing Author as a Fraud

By Richard Leiby
The Washington Post
Sunday, May 2, 2004; Page D03

In the Style section last summer we profiled a Los Angeles writer named Micah Ian Wright, who'd just published a shrill antiwar poster book called "You Back the Attack! We'll Bomb Who We Want!" In his book, he described himself as a veteran of combat, a former Army Ranger whose experiences during the 1989 invasion of Panama turned him into a peacenik. In interviews with The Post and other media, he played up that background.

Wright, it turns out, is a liar. He never served in the military -- and confessed that last week to his publisher, Seven Stories Press, after we insisted on evidence of his service. Pursuing a tip from real Rangers who'd never heard of Wright, we filed three Freedom of Information Act requests with separate Army commands -- and last month finally confirmed that Wright never served.

"I feel awful about it. It was a lie that just grew and grew and grew," Wright, 34, told us Friday. He said mounting combat deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, including that of Ranger Pat Tillman, compound his sense of remorse: "I plan to make a public apology on my Web site [www.micahwright.com]."

Seven Stories has canceled publication of Wright's next book, "If You're Not a Terrorist, Then Stop Asking Questions," due out in two months. It also will remove from future printings of the first book his detailed and wholly fictional account of parachuting into Panama under fire during Operation Just Cause. Wright's book of satirically "remixed" World War II propaganda posters was a minor success, selling more than 20,000 copies. It carried endorsements from two WWII vets, novelist Kurt Vonnegut and historian Howard Zinn.

"The romance of his military background rang a bell with me and made me like him a lot," Vonnegut told us Friday. "You almost want to say, 'So what else is new?' Human beings are terrible liars. I still like what he did. He's a liar, but I still like his pictures."

Mo Rocca

An occasional feature revealing the secret lives of oft-quoted experts

Occupation: Cultural and political commentator (he calls himself a "fundit") on VH1, NBC's "Today" show and National Public Radio.

Rocc'a self-portrait at the Franklin Pierce grave. (Courtesy of Mo Rocca)

Born: Jan. 28, 1969, in Washington. Grew up in Bethesda on Jordan Road.

Marital status: Unmarried; "no U.S.-born children."

Childhood pet: None. That's why I've just finished writing a book, "All the Presidents' Pets," to compensate for my childhood lack of pets. It helps to fill the hole inside. Six years ago I had a cat named Kooky, now deceased.

Everyone calls me: "Garcon!"

Celebrity I most resemble: a combination of Anthony Perkins and Ralph Reed (of Christian Coalition fame, now the Bush campaign's southeastern chairman).

Most notable characteristic: Hyperextension. I bend in all directions. I'm going back into gymnastics training because I'd really like to be able to do a back flip.

People don't know I: Like visiting presidential grave sites. I'm really into the presidents that nobody else cares about, like Iowa's Herbert Hoover. Last week I finally got a picture of Franklin Pierce's headstone. It's a self-portrait.

In my bedroom you'll find: A gigantic bust of President Grover Cleveland. I live in a studio apartment so it can get kind of awkward in there.

Favorite quote: "Baghdad, this irresistible town!" From sultry Dolores Gray in the 1955 film version of the musical "Kismet." Sebastian Cabot overdoes it as the Wazir, but Howard Keel saves it as the Poet. If Paul Bremer had a voice like Keel's, the Iraqi people might not be so irritable.

Adult entertainment name (pet's name plus childhood street):Kooky Jordan. That's great! Sounds like a drag-porn performer!

SQUIBS

• Gay partners won equal treatment at Washington's venerable Cosmos Club after a vote Saturday granted full "household privileges" to persons unrelated to a member but living in the same household. That means unmarried partners of members can visit the private club on their own, sign their own names and use reciprocal clubs -- privileges previously enjoyed only by heterosexual spouses.

Club member Don Beyer, the former lieutenant governor of Virginia, told us after the 146-to-17 vote: "We'll look back on it in a few years and wonder what the fuss was about." Now in its 126th year, the club is often described as a society for intellectuals; it voted to admit blacks in 1962 and women in 1988. "This is the last vestige of discrimination that's been overcome," said another member, who asked not to be identified.

• "No comment," Joe Trippi said Saturday when asked whether he'd watch a TV talk show featuring Howard Dean, who ousted him as campaign manager and reportedly is pitching a show to Hollywood executives. Then he thought better of it and added with a devilish grin, "Of course I'll watch it." We caught up with Trippi as the schmooze-a-palooza known as the White House Correspondents' Association dinner got underway at a noon brunch at the home of Tammy Haddad, executive producer of MSNBC's "Hardball With Chris Matthews."

Partiers included Matt Drudge, who now makes his residence in glamorous South Beach, and ever-glam actress Morgan Fairchild, who also graced a book bash Friday evening for " John F. Kerry," the new Boston Globe bio. (Kerry and Fairchild were "linked" by gossip columnists after his 1988 divorce, the book says; he later confirmed they dated.)

Rich and Paul, Building Those Bridges

• Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz appeared side by side Thursday at a House appropriations hearing on budget needs for security in Iraq. In the ritual cordiality of congressional hearings, they called each other Rich and Paul, and betrayed no public hint of the enmity that swirled behind the scenes in the run-up to the war with Iraq, when Armitage and his boss, Colin Powell, opposed policies pushed by neocons such as Wolfowitz.

Asked about coordination of a budget matter between State and Defense, Armitage told the panel: "Paul and I speak just about every day. When it gets to our level, that's not where the problems are. We generally" -- he paused and chuckled -- "don't fight. So I don't think you'll have a big difference of opinion."

The panel heard no pungent opinions such as this one reported in Bob Woodward's new bestseller, "Plan of Attack":

"A newly appointed assistant secretary of state who worked for one of the conservative think tanks in Washington had come to see Armitage his first day on the job. 'I think with my contacts I'll really be able to fix the relationship and act as a bridge between Defense and State,' the new man said.

" 'You're on our team,' Armitage told him. '. . . You don't bridge [expletive]. I've known all those [expletives] for 30 years. You ain't bridging [expletive].' "

For the unredacted version, see Page 433.

© 2004 The Washington Post Company