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To: tejek who wrote (187635)	5/2/2004 2:48:27 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570341

Sharon’s disengagement plan is voted down by Likud opponents by 10 percent – according to first estimate reaching DEBKAfile. Two Palestinian terrorists shot dead an Israeli mother and her 4 daughters in ambush of cars coming out of Gaza Strip’s Gush Katif on Kissufim road: Tali Hatuel, 34, a social worker, Hilah, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7 and Meirav, 2. Tali was eight months pregnant. After hitting the Hatuel car, two Palestinians approached and murdered the children and mother at close range under cover of general offensive by several Palestinian bands on Israeli military positions. Two Israeli troops and civilian injured before shooting two terrorists dead. Murders were grim backdrop for Likud vote on Sharon’s plan, sparked angry scenes against proponents at balloting stations. PM’s son Omri Sharon was rescued by police from jostling crowds at Jerusalem’s Convention Halls. Sunday night, Israeli helicopters struck high-rise building in Gaza City used as Hamas radio station. At least 7 Palestinians wounded Six US soldiers killed by mortar fire on their base in Anbar province of western Iraq. Four US troops killed earlier Sunday: 2 in guerrilla attack in northwest Baghdad; two more in US convoy ambushed by Sadrist militia near southern town of Al-Amarah. Three days after General Jassim Salah marched into Fallujah, top US general Myers denied he had been put in charge of city. He is still being vetted for a possible peacekeeping role, said Myers. But he and another general, Latif, are not in command American hostage Thomas Hammel escapes Iraqi captors after 3-week ordeal and walks up to US troops near Tikrit. He was in US convoy attacked near Fallujah on April 9. Remains of US army reservist in same convoy found Friday. A US soldier and contract worker still unaccounted for. Doubts raised about authenticity of photos run by London Mirror of British troops torturing Iraqi prisoners. US has undertaken disciplinary action against 17 US soldiers including a brigadier general suspended on charges of abusing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners. Second bomb belt of type used by Palestinian suicide bombers discovered at Karni crossing from Gaza Strip into Israel Al Qaeda Strikes Main Saudi Oil Outlet 1 May: The world’s largest oil producer was shaken Saturday, May 1, by the first terrorist strike against a joint US-Saudi oil venture, the co-owned Exxon-Mobil-SABIC oil refinery at the kingdom’s main oil exporting outlet to the West at the Red Sea port of Yanbu 350 km northwest of Riyadh. At least five Western engineers – 2 Americans, 2 Britons and an Australian as well as a Saudi National Guards captain were killed and many more injured, including two Canadians. The Saudi ambassador to Britain, Prince Turki bin-Faisal, said the attack was carried out by Saudi members of the al Qaeda ”cult”, three of whom were gunned down by Saudi security forces and a fourth captured. The attack began just after dawn and raged until the afternoon, as the suicide killers, in Saudi National Guards uniforms, yelling “Jihad, Jihad!” careened around downtown Yanbu in a commandeered Saudi security vehicle and cars seized from private citizens. After attacking the refinery, they stormed the offices of ABB Lummus, whose headquarters are in Houston, Texas. There, they shot the five Westerners dead before shooting up a hotel, a McDonalds restaurant and shops and tossing a pipe bomb at the International School in Yanbu. Saudi security forces repulsed an attack on the offices of the Royal Commission of Jubail and Yanbu. Witnesses report that one of their western victims was tied to a car and dragged round the city before being dumped outside a Saudi-British bank. DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources question the official casualty numbers and also the statement that only four terrorists dealt this much damage to so many targets and kept going for more than six hours. It is far more likely that several al Qaeda bands fanned out over the strategic town, which until Saturday had escaped al Qaeda violence. The raid occurred exactly one week after al Qaeda suicide bombers used speedboats to disable Iraq’s main export terminals off the southern port of Basra. Six million foreigners live in Saudi Arabia, 30,000 of whom hold key positions in the kingdom’s oil industry and other vital sectors. ABB Lummus is considering repatriating all its Western employees. This latest al Qaeda attack is one more blow aimed by the fundamentalist organization at sabotaging US-Saudi oil interests, destabilizing the Saudi throne and forcing oil prices to spiral as the US presidential election date nears. debka.com

To: tejek who wrote (187635)	5/2/2004 3:48:17 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1570341

Try to imagine that there is a God and He's listening to your explanation for the atrocities committed by the US and Brit. soldiers against "the insects". I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Were these people known to be terrorists? My understanding was that they were POWs; if they were known to be terrorist insects, why didn't we just shoot them?

To: tejek who wrote (187635)	5/2/2004 11:56:46 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570341

Ted, And frankly, those of us opposed to this war are not much better. We knew that this war was wrong from the get go but did not object strongly enough. I understand your disgust for what those soldiers did. They ought to be thrown in the brig and forced into hard labor for years, not only for the act itself, but also for undermining whatever good will anyone in the world had left for America. But why do you think you anti-war guys didn't object "strongly enough"? What more could you have done? More human shields during the main combat portion of the Iraq war? Stronger acts of "civil disobedience"? More active, direct support for the "freedom fighters" (Saudi-style)? I think you're being disingenuous with this "hindsight." Maybe it's because you still see more support for the Iraq war than you would have liked. Tenchusatsu