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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Crocodile who wrote (3408)	5/2/2004 8:02:47 PM
From: Crocodile	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 36917

BTW, speaking of recycling.... For those who haven't already connected, check out this site for info on joining a Freecycle network in your area. freecycle.org In a nutshell, groups have been forming in various cities or regions. People use the net to post objects that they are willing to give away (usually something they might have junked and that would have ended up in a landfill site somewhere). They make a post saying "OFFER: blah-blah-blah", with a description of the object. If you want it, you email the person and arrange to pick it up. When the object is gone, the person posts a "CLAIMED: blah-blah-blah" message so that everyone knows the object is now gone. Very interesting to see the stuff that is changing hands for free -- building materials, computers, bicycles, furniture, etc.. Terrific idea and it sure seems to be catching on like wildfire. Good to see all of this stuff enjoying a second life instead of being hauled off to a landfill site.

To: Crocodile who wrote (3408)	5/2/2004 8:31:04 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

GEORGE MONBIOT ON THE STUPIDITY OF THE MASSES -- croc, Generally I agree with you. Except for the que sera sera component of your post. Here's an archived George Monbiot classic. I think he understands human nature very well: guardian.co.uk <SNIP> "The only rational response to both the impending end of the oil age and the menace of global warming is to redesign our cities, our farming and our lives. But this cannot happen without massive political pressure, and our problem is that no one ever rioted for austerity. People tend to take to the streets because they want to consume more, not less. Given a choice between a new set of matching tableware and the survival of humanity, I suspect that most people would choose the tableware."