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To: Ilaine who wrote (131160)	5/3/2004 2:43:18 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

but you're too credulous for your own good. it's my modus operandi

To: Ilaine who wrote (131160)	5/3/2004 3:26:46 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<By 1941, millions of Jews had already been murdered.> Speaking of credulous, millions? I'm a Holocaust denier in that a couple of items, seem to not have a good foundation, being based on guesswork, perhaps with some exaggeration. Was it 4 million or 6 million and how were they counted? Also I never did find out why there weren't any women in the little booklets about Jewish victims in the Holocaust Museum in Washington which are given out on entering [carrying details about an individual with one as one walks around the museum to make it personal]. That was Sept 1999 that I visited with daughter Emily. Anne Frank was a female and I'm pretty sure that other women weren't immune to death in concentration camps, but the museum gave the impression in that respect that it was all men. I asked the attendant how come I couldn't find women and I forget the reply [I think it was that they hadn't really thought of it or something or would look at that too]. I forget how much women [and girls] were represented in the rest of the museum. I don't think there were millions of Jewish deaths by 1941. They really only got revved up by 1943 [though perhaps I've misunderstood]. I could ask Google, but maybe you know. Or somebody does. It was only after invading Poland, France and so on that they could get hold of Jews from those regions. Also, concentration camps weren't extermination camps until they really got going and had to keep the numbers down [or build vast prison camps]. They became extermination camps later, when war was really rampant. In the war against Islamic Jihad, the Cow concentration camps aren't extermination camps. But give it a decade and a few nukes going off in downtown USA cities and we might see a change in values. There are a billion Moslems who claim to believe the rantings in the Koran, which means we are in for a LOT of murdering Moslems going on the rampage. With luck, they'll be like the Christians, who assert that the Bible is the direct work of the Big Boy, but they take the imprecations to indulge in stonings, burnings at the stake or whatever else is recommended, with a grain of salt. One would think the word of the Big Boy should be taken literally. Crazy hypocritical religious Wacos! They believe, but not really, they forgive, but not the children of Omagh who needed to be blown up to avenge the potato famine, they love their neighbour, but not those goddam ragheads, or gooks, Thou Shalt not Kill, though collateral damage is fine in pre-emptive attacks on the oil fields. Mqurice PS: How about phoning the Holocaust Museum and seeing if they have women in the booklets now and ask what the ratio is.

To: Ilaine who wrote (131160)	5/3/2004 4:11:59 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>Hitler started killing Jews in 1933. That's the year the first concentration camp, Dachau, was opened in Germany.<< In Munich, "Hauptstadt der Bewegung", there were other enemies to be take care of and put away first into Schutzhaft - Protective custody - in Dachau ("to keep them out of harm from the ire of the people"). Jews were scheduled for later ... Nurnberg laws, Reichskristallnacht as some of the milestones and eventually Wannsee conference 30th Jan 1942, ghwk.de when the Battle of Moscow was already clearly lost...

To: Ilaine who wrote (131160)	5/4/2004 1:28:03 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi CobaltBlue; Re: "Hitler started killing Jews in 1933." True, but the numbers were negligible before June 1941. Before then, some Jews (and others) were put in concentration camps, but the numbers of deaths in the prewar years were small. In 1933, the Nazis began passing laws that made it very difficult or impossible for Jewish owned businesses to survive. Many Jews began emigrating, if they could afford it, and the Germans took their money when they did this. Re: "By 1941, millions of Jews had already been murdered." The killing in large numbers didn't start until mid 1941. That was about the time it should have become obvious to the Germans that they were in for a nasty war. Most of the killing was over by late 1942. Here are some links that give a pretty good feel for numbers and the dates: yad-vashem.org.il yad-vashem.org.il I'm not pointing this out because there is any importance to these details, which I am quite possibly incorrect about; I will let Nadine correct me. But I think that we should never forget, and that means never forget the details. Particularly for something so recent that so many people alive then are still alive today. -- Carl