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To: Sam who wrote (131257)	5/4/2004 12:01:25 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Sam, you said. "Seymour Hersh was just on Charlie Rose. He said, look, they did the same kind of thing to John Walker Lindh in the first week after they captured him, you think they're going to treat Iraqis differently?" As I said in my post, I'm a little skeptical of all the crocodile tears and protestations that "Americans don't do things like that." There are plenty of Americans who'll not only do things like that; they'll enjoy doing them. The real problem is either the breakdown of institutional safeguards to make sure that doesn't happen or, more likely, the cold-blooded decision by the people in charge to encourage such activities for the purpose of "interrogation." But I have to ask again, why did so many of us gleefully and unquestioningly accept the change of heart of the "singing bird" prisoners, chuckle about the option of sending them to Egypt or Jordan where they "know how to make them talk," and then suddenly become righteous about how Americans values don't lend themselves to the torture of prisoners?

To: Sam who wrote (131257)	5/4/2004 12:32:19 AM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Respond to of 281500

>> Every one of those MPs was a sadist. No one but a sadist would have done that kind of duty. I know the army knew it was going on .... Judging by Faultline's reply to you and everyone else's silence, I would guess that people don't believe your post. << Sam, the lack of replies doesn't mean this reader didn't believe. Just that I thought he was describing something known to everyone who has been in the US army. His description is absolutely like what I have personally heard from other people who were in the army at the same time I was - in 70-71. Who had the bad judgement to go AWOL. Which for some reason happened occasionally. I'll hasten to add, that I personally NEVER experienced a single incident or interaction from a higher up that was in any way demeaning or improper. In fact my personal experience was pleasant to the point that I was sad to leave behind the several friends I made in the Army. But there sure were some bad folks who had returned from VietNam. It was best to stay out of their way. Many were drug addicts, unfortunately. They are the ones who experienced the special processing. Sarmad