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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (131516)	5/5/2004 12:54:51 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<<It is true, as you say, that "troops equate to a greater ability to provide security." But, and follow me carefully here, the problem lies in the fact that we have a greater need to "provide security," not in the fact that we can do it. What I'm saying is that when things deteriorate to the point where the insurgency has gathered a strong minority of the population's support and the rest of the population is not spilling their blood to fight it, YOU'VE ALREADY LOST.>>> Your assumption here is that the Iraqis that count, that are trying to form a government and own homes and businesses will be unable to improve security. The insurgents are going to be in the doghouse, getting more Iraqis killed and causing destruction of what "right minded" Iraqis are trying to build. The action in Fallugha brought the clerics and IGC into the city to say, no doubt, that their actions were unwelcome and that they were ruining their own chances of participating fully in the new government. There will be a new Government, without question, and we have yet to know how successful it will be. I happen to think the Iraqi government can do the job with our support and that they are beginning to recognize they need to do the job themselves. If they cannot then we need to know that too and perhaps change direction. Sig

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (131516)	5/5/2004 2:26:53 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

but we should have also viewed the Iraqi PEOPLE as our clients and we should have shown them through our efforts at security and our efforts at rebuilding their infrastructure and their institutions that we were there for THEM. I don't recall our stating that this ISN'T our policy.. But you must bear in mind that NOT ALL Iraqis, including the Militants, want to be our clients. Which is why we are there to provide the initial foundation for MODERATES to become empowered in that country.. Listen.. Muslim Brotherhood (militants) has been working on building a base of support for years in Iraq, as well as throughout the region. The MB are Wahabbists/Salafists, drawing the inspiration and support right out of the religious fanatics living in Saudi Arabia and other countries. They've been biding their time, indoctrinating the children of the region in their mosques and madrassas, awaiting the period when these children become adults and fit for Jihad. And that Jihad would have been waged against Saddam, just as it would have been waged against the rest of the region, as well as ourselves here in the West.. Saddam could have only delayed it, but he could not have defeated it... And he couldn't have defeated it because he had nothing worthwhile to replace it with. Hawk