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To: Thomas M. who wrote (10117)	5/6/2004 3:38:13 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 20773

Re: ...Donald Rumsfeld dismissed Germany and France as just the "old Europe," plainly of no concern because of their disobedience. The ?vast numbers of other countries in Europe [are] with the United States,? he assured foreign journalists. These vast numbers are the "new Europe,"... As you know, I disagree completely with Rumsfeld's labelling: Message 19727994 Now, the irony --or the pity-- is that most European pundits and observers HAVE FALLEN for Rumsfeld's fraud: even French journalists routinely, shamelessly refer to France, Germany,... as "Old Europe". They somehow repress the obverse truth that France, Germany, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands and Britain make up the so-called New Europe if only because of their growing Muslim and non-European minorities. In her previous government (dubbed "Raffarin II"), France had two ministers of Algerian extraction, Islam is already France's second religion (after Roman Catholicism and before Protestantism); Germany harbors 2.5 million Turks;... Rumsfeld's fraudulent labelling only betrays WASPish America's nostalgia for the Europe of yore... it's likely the same nostalgia most (US) Southerners feel about 1950s America: a lily-white leadership, a conservative, Christian value system, and docile minorities, no Affirmative Action,... the good ol' days, huh? Gus

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10117)	5/7/2004 4:06:13 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 20773

Told you so --even the UN fig leaf won't do the trick.... Spain is firm: Troops won't return Elaine Sciolino/NYT Friday, May 7, 2004 MADRID Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero of Spain said Thursday that he would never send Spanish troops back to Iraq, even if foreign troops there were put under the authority of the United Nations or NATO. "Spanish troops have spent time there and have completed their mission in Iraq," Zapatero said. "There's no point in them going back." In his first interview with a foreign journalist since he took office last month, the 43-year-old Socialist leader dismissed the creation of an eventual peacekeeping force under the authority of the United Nations as "rather improbable or utopian" because of the unstable security situation. Similarly, he felt that the idea of a NATO-led force similar to the one that exists in Afghanistan "would not a feasible alternative," saying that it was more likely that a force of Arab troops "could give the Iraqis peace of mind." Even as Zapatero criticized the American-led war and occupation of Iraq, he sought to portray himself as a loyal ally of the United States who was grateful for American help on the ground in facilitating Spain's troop withdrawal and who had not encouraged other countries to follow Spain's lead and leave. Since the decision to withdraw, Honduras and the Dominican Republic have also decided to bring their troops home. Poland, Thailand, Kazakhstan and the Philippines have issued statements suggesting their troop commitments may not be open-ended. [...] iht.com As I said, the yanks are gonna stew in their own Judeo-Protestant shit.