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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (131761)	5/6/2004 12:14:29 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

What I have done is take the cost in lives and blood that our soldiers are paying into account in almost every one of my posts that discusses the justification for entering the war, and for continuing the occupation. Can you say the same? CD... I take it into account everytime I remember the 3,000 innocent people who died on 9/11... And I take it into account when I think about how that number could have EASILY been 10 times as high, had those Islamist militants decided to strike those buildings only a few hours later that day.. I take it into account when I wonder how much Saddam would have been willing to pay suicide "martyrs" to strike the United States, as he apparently felt justified in doing with Islamist palestinians.. I take it into account when I think about the millions of disenfranshised muslim youths being brainwashed into a militant interpretation of what should be one of the world's more peaceful religions. I take it into account when I ponder whether we should have "hunkered down" and awaiting the inevitable additional attacks against our nation, or whether we needed to take the battle to THEM on their own turf... (and being former military YOU, of all people, should understand the implicit logic in that strategy).. And I definitely take into account that, now that Saddam has been overthrown, we have a national interest in GUARANTEEING that Iraq does not fall to the forces of Islamic Militancy.... Yeah.. I take a whole lot of things into account CD.. What I wonder is whether you've bother to take into account the price we'll pay years from now if we don't take such a stance right now and attempt to provide the people of the middle east a viable alternative to the hatred eminating from these extremist Islamic clerics. WWII was not won in a year.. And this ideological world war against Islamic miltancy will likely last for the next 10 years, IMO.. Hawk

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (131761)	5/6/2004 1:18:50 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<a heartfelt concern for the troops> Yesterday, I was part of a demonstration at the entrance to Elmendorf Air Base. We held up signs, saying "Bring the troops home", "occupation is not liberation", and "stop mad cowboy disease". Alaska is a very conservative State: it gave a higher % of its vote to Bush in 2000, than Texas did. The responses, from the people entering and leaving the base, were about 3-to-1 favorable. On similar demos elsewhere in Anchorage, the responses run about 5-to-1 favorable. I think, at this point, the majority of our soldiers want our army out of Iraq, and quickly. The country, and the army, is coming to my position. I understand that many will call me a traitor, if I disagree with the President's policies. And call me an anti-semite, if I disagree with Israel's policies. And call me a conspiracy nut, and America-hater, when I point out the past pattern of war crimes, killing and torturing of prisoners, and predict more of the same. Message 20080946 This name-calling has been a very effective method of silencing dissent, since 9/11.