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To: Amy J who wrote (188040)5/6/2004 9:05:51 PM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1573889
 
Amy,

re: Why is it so difficult for you to say that what she did was wrong? Why is that? Why do you avoid speaking out against it?

Good question. We are all Americans, right? What's good or bad for one is good or bad for all. Where is the breakdown? Who is causing us to pull against each other instead of pulling together in the same direction?

Leadership?

John



To: Amy J who wrote (188040)5/7/2004 1:25:49 AM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1573889
 
Amy, Do a search on her name. Private London and reassign.

I can't be doing your dirty work. I searched Yahoo, Google, CNN.com, and Reuters.com, yet I found nothing.

There is no side.

The confrontational tone of your post suggests that you don't really believe that.

Why is it so difficult for you to say that what she did was wrong? Why is that? Why do you avoid speaking out against it?

I thought it was rather obvious that what she did was wrong. But I didn't want to get carried away and believe the conspiracy theories, that the military just wanted to cover this up and let the guilty go free. Apparently you do, but what good will that do? It's going to compromise Bush's efforts to salvage whatever good will is left among the Iraqi citizens, and it's going to demoralize the troops. All because you want to see a plethora of heads roll just to make sure we didn't miss the truly guilty.

You are forgetting what is truly most important.

Sanity?

Tenchusatsu



To: Amy J who wrote (188040)5/7/2004 7:43:11 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573889
 
Red Cross says it warned U.S. of prisoner abuse last year, but Bremer first heard in January

By Louis Meixler, Associated Press, 5/7/2004 18:01


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP ) The Red Cross said Friday that it had been warning of prisoner abuse in Iraq since shortly after the U.S.-led invasion. U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer said he first became aware of the allegations in January.

Also, a senior U.S. military officer in Iraq, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, said the damage to Iraqi-American ties caused by the scandal ''is not irreparable,'' but he admitted that improving relations with Iraqis is ''going to take some effort on behalf of the Americans.''

President Bush, in an interview published in an Egyptian newspaper, acknowledged that ''times are tough for the United States and the Middle East'' and again apologized for the conduct of U.S. soldiers in Iraq, using the word ''sorry'' six times.

U.S. officials insist the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison was limited and did not reflect policy.

However, the International Committee of the Red Cross said it warned American officials of prisoner abuse in Iraq more than a year ago and that the mistreatment was ''not individual acts.''

''There was a pattern and a system,'' Pierre Kraehenbuehl, the ICRC's director of operations, said in Geneva. Some of the actions were ''tantamount to torture,'' he said.

The ICRC findings were ''discussed at different moments between March and November 2003, either in direct face-to-face conversations or in written interventions,'' Kraehenbuehl said.


Some of the earlier discussions were with Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade overseeing the prison.

Karpinski has been suspended by the military as part of its probe into the abuses.

In February, ICRC officials discussed a report on the subject with Bremer and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, Kraehenbuehl said.

Kraehenbuehl refused to give details of the report, but confirmed that a leaked ICRC report published Friday by The Wall Street Journal was genuine.

The report summarized information given to U.S. officials since shortly after Iraq was invaded in March 2003, Kraehenbuehl said.

It described prisoners kept naked in total darkness and male prisoners forced to wear women's underwear, the Journal said.

In another episode, nine men were arrested and beaten severely, and one of them died, the newspaper said.

''Ill-treatment during interrogation was not systematic, except with regard to persons arrested with suspected security offenses or deemed to have an intelligence value,'' the report said, according to the newspaper.


Kraehenbuehl said American authorities took action on some issues but ''there were situations that remained unacceptable and difficult.''

There also were problems with prisoners held by the British, Kraehenbuehl said, but he refused to elaborate.

On Friday, one former prisoner, Fawzi Faisal, told The Associated Press in Mosul he was arrested in December and brought to a lockup in northern Iraq, where ''the Americans started to beat me severely and they put a sack on my head for seven days.''

Faisal, who said he was arrested on suspicion of attacking Americans, was later brought to Abu Ghraib, where he said soldiers entered his room ''with dogs in order to frighten us.''

A British television station reported Friday that a young Iraqi girl held at Abu Ghraib was stripped naked and beaten while her brother heard her scream from another cell.

The ITV News report quoted Suhaib al-Baz, 24, a cameraman for the Arab satellite TV network Al-Jazeera, as saying he saw the abuse while he was being held at the prison.

Earlier, al-Baz told the AP he was stripped, beaten, spat upon and deprived of sleep during his 74-day stint in U.S. Army custody.


The Swiss-based ICRC is designated by the Geneva Conventions on warfare to visit prisoners of war and other people detained by an occupying power to ensure that countries respect obligations under the 1949 accords.

Dan Senor, spokesman for the Coalition Provisional Authority, said Bremer was made aware of the accusation concerning prisoner abuse in January.

That month, the U.S. command said it began investigating allegations of mistreatment of prisoners at a coalition detention center, later identified as Abu Ghraib. The probe started after a soldier at the lockup said he could not tolerate abuses he witnessed and presented pictures to his superiors.

Senor said he was not sure when Bremer first saw photographs of the abuse. Those photographs first shown last week on CBS unleashed worldwide condemnation of the way America was treating prisoners in a country the United States says it invaded to liberate from Saddam Hussein's tyranny.


U.S. officials in Baghdad have been desperately trying to calm the shock and anger felt throughout the Arab world, where there is already deep suspicion about U.S. intentions in Iraq. The anger is intensified by the fact that Abu Ghraib was a notorious prison under Saddam where prisoners were tortured and executed.

''Obviously, our reputation has been damaged severely by the terrible and horrible acts, inhumane acts that were conducted on Iraqi prisoners,'' Bush told Egypt's al-Ahram newspaper.

''I can't tell you how sorry I am to them and their families for the humiliation. I'm also sorry because people are then able to say, `Look how terrible America is.'''

Senor said the six soldiers who face criminal charges in the abuse scandal will be brought to trial and their hearings will be a ''a fair and transparent process.''

Kimmitt said the United States has ''to show to Iraqis that U.S. justice works.''

In Kufa, a radical Shiite Muslim cleric whose militia has fought U.S. troops rejected Bush's apology and demanded that the accused soldiers be tried in Iraq.

''What sort of freedom and democracy can we expect from you (Americans) when you take such joy in torturing Iraqi prisoners?'' Muqtada al-Sadr said to worshippers at a mosque.

boston.com