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To: Kevin Rose who wrote (573742)5/10/2004 6:10:04 PM
From: Johannes Pilch  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Hmm. We'll have to add 'dense' to the list of your attributes.

Fine. We'll just leave yours at "numbskull."

The Catholic has a stricter and more formal hierarchy than Islam, but Islam still has a hierarchy.

Ultimately it does not. What you cite here is simply the means by which clerics are credentialed. That is no heirarchy. The clerics are not held accountable to any authority in the same way priests are held in the Catholic church. Therefore to compare clerics and priests is leftist stupidity.

"In Islam there is no church hierarchy no priests, ministers, vicars, deans, or popes. When a Muslim prays he prays directly to God not through any intermediary. When he serves God he is not serving an institution but God alone."
islamic.org.uk

Where have you seen Islam call for murder? Which Grand Ayatollahs are advocating jihad against all Christians?

When millions of muslims respond in the name of allah with support and overt joy at one of their leaders' murderous calls, when tens of thousands of muslims plot to murder innocent unattached people all in the name of allah, and when this happens without a significantly counter-defining challenge from any other muslim, I have seen the only islam that matters. The rest of these "islams" truly do not exist. They have no authority and are worthless.

Priests answer to the Pope, eh? So, that means that the Pope must advocate pedophilia, since he has so much control over them. Yeah, right. See how much 'better' the Catholic hierarchy is than the Islamic one?

This is completely irrelevant to the issue and it is, as is typical of you, dishonest. The Catholic system is not sending 80,000, 90,000, perhaps upwards of a 100,000 muslims across the earth to take off my head. But islam is. The Catholic system, as flawed as it is, is still policing itself when it encounters behavior not in keeping with its identity. It provides a substantially powerful counter-defining force that isolates the ill-behavior to which you refer. And just take a look around. Christians, not merely Catholics, but Protestants and Catholics decried the behavior on the basis of the shared moral view, a view informed by essential Christianity and, most importantly, heads are rolling and the activity has ceased. No such force exists in islam that counters the only islam that matters.

I am constantly amazed by you. You utter the stupidest arguments, ones that I believe cannot be surpassed in their ignorance, and then you come back with another that is even more idiotic.

There is not a single point of my position that lacks reason. It is reasonable all the way. What is utterly stupid is your insistence that the Catholic church is as murderous as islam just because of the Crusades, of which you are quite ignorant. You claim to be a friggin' Catholic and yet I am having to defend your own dang church against you and your lies. You are the one being stupid here, pal.

You must literally bathe in your inability to see past your nose.

...so filled is it with the putridity of your filthy lies.

Ranking in Islam is meaningless? Because you declare it so? If so, I assert that ranking in Christianity is also meaningless.

And yet you jumped all over Urban II because he called for a Crusade. Obviously your assertion here is a lie even in your own mind. But it is not a lie with regard to islam because tens upon tens of thousands of murderous muslims are indeed following the will of murderous leaders regardless of some ridiculous "Ranking" in a non-hierarchical religion. And they are plotting murder in the name of islam, being supported by millions of muslims across the globe. The WTC proves this, but you are obviously such a numbskull you avoid the clear evidence to instead rely upon some "ranking" fantasy.

Obviously, with Christian 'leaders' like Falwell, Robertson, Swaggert, and Bakker. With a Pope that can't stem a decades long epidemic of priests who like to bonk little boys. There are so many branches of 'Christianity', it makes Islam look absolutely monolithic.

None of these leaders are calling for any sort of murder of innocent people. They lead groups of people. They themselves are fallible men. But they pay for their errors, whatever they may be. But none of them has ever called for anything like islam calls for. Your comparisons are truly numbskullian.

No more. The left is pissed off. We've seen our country run through the shitter by neocons, and we want it back.

If you can take it, then take it. You've already destroyed it at its foundations. So it is already dead. You can have it for all I care. I am just fighting you to extract as much as I can while the extracting is good. You have no idea the pain you are about to cause yourselves.

This crap about the 'abuse' (sh*t, if Saddam does it, it's torture, if we do it, it's abuse) has put such a mark of shame on America that it will take YEARS to recover our dignity and the moral high ground.

You put wicked Sodomites in the military, this is the sort of crap you get. It is your fault, pal. I counseled against this and have always counseled against it. So now suffer and die with your decisions. I really don't care about it at all.

All under Bush's watch. Republicans used to be so into the "take responsbility for your actions" mantra. Boy, are they running away from that as quick as they can.

That is because you put the Sodomites there in the first place.

Your day has come and gone. In three and a half short years, Bush has shown how wrong the neocon theories were. We'll be paying the Bush Bills for many decades....

My day is here to stay. Your day will never come. And I am not going to pay one dime for any of it. You will pay - and with more than money.