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To: one_less who wrote (45859)	5/11/2004 10:18:25 AM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

I hear you on all counts but let me say this, then almost done on this debate currently practiced Islam has departed far from what the religion laid out and embraced in the year 1000 AD they have branched out into absurd Shiite side, which has a foundation of villification, masochism, desecration, and vengeance, which border on demonism they have schools (Madrassas) which would not pass in this country as competent day care centers, let alone educational centers they have a fundamental anti-Jewish streak which would probably annoy Mohammed himself tremendously you speak somewhat of theoretical Islam and its foundations maybe I misread you current Islam has grossly departed from its true path it reminds me of Catholicism in the western world half of it is not really Christian, non-Biblical, but rather sickly Papal and Matriarchal (worship the pope and Mother Mary) when I meet a Catholic, sometimes I ask if he/she is a Christian that usually is met with a broad quizzical look even Catholics dont understand their Christian root or not sadly, Catholicism is now the artifact of the Holy Roman Empire, a political entity which held the Roman culture during the dark ages take it easy if Egypt (cradle of Moslem culture) has no semblance of democratic thought, then dont look for it anywhere else in the Moslem world I hear you on the nepotism issue reminds me of a good friend who used to live in Italy for many years to get ahead, you have to marry the owner's son or sleep with him, men or woman most businesses are run by the family the sons take the top spots, then find competent managers the sons take all the credit when things go well they pass on the blame to their lieutenants when things go badly Egypt and Italy might have much in common esp if their women (like in Italy) refuse the use of a rubber condom during unmarried sex to test if you really love them, since only prostitutes use prophys methinks the link between the two countries has its basis in Cleopatra and Marc Anthony <G> / jim

To: one_less who wrote (45859)	5/12/2004 12:53:03 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

JotW, Re: My point: Democracy is fundamentally in line with Islam ... I have also made something of a study of the history of Islam. I cannot recall any period of time since Mohammed established the religion just before his death in 632 A.D. where democracy (in the sense of its development during the European Enlightenment) has ever been the basis of governance in any Islamic country in the world. Can you be more specific about the examples of democracy you see in the Islamic world? I do not regard the regimes in Indonesia or in Malaysia to be working democracies in the same sense that democracies exist among OECD nations. And in the Arab speaking world, caliphates and kingdoms seem to be and have been the norm. In countries like Morocco and Algeria, fundamentalist Islamists are probably a statistical majority of the population, but are precluded from gaining ascendancy via the ballot box. No real democracy there. Where do you see Islamic democracies?