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To: redfish who wrote (10534)5/11/2004 5:20:11 PM
From: Dale Baker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20773
 
Amen - most of us who would formally "distance ourselves" from the playground garbage are ignoring it already. It takes two to carry out a pissing match; with just one participant, it's a futile act of relieving oneself into a strong breeze.

;<)



To: redfish who wrote (10534)5/11/2004 7:20:18 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 20773
 
agreed
I argued with EV for a long time
but in the end, I think he got off on the attention. And that wasn't a good thing. Ignore is better.



To: redfish who wrote (10534)5/12/2004 5:02:25 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20773
 
"Satire, kids, is your sacred duty as Americans. Be funny. Poke them cows and make them moo." -Garrison Keillor

redfish,

Re: I have all those guys on ignore except for Raymond, who cracks me up.

Did I mention my campaign for this summer?(1) It's called "Bush by the Numbers". Essentially, now that Bush has turned the U.S. into a penitentiary we ought to treat it as most lifers do. When the jokes get stale, we simply refer to them by number and laugh at them by rote. Here's some of my collection. As you can see, there's plenty of room at the bottom, top and middle for your excellent contributions to add to our merriment, all at George Bush's expense, of course. :)

Our roster so far: 03, 04. 12, 15, 16, 41, 365, 1358, 1837, 1908, 1956, 1967, 2000, Infinity

Here's a sampler:

#03: Q: So, what were the three roughest years of George Bush's life?
A: Fifth Grade.

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#12: So, the Democrat dies and goes to heaven. As he approached the Pearly Gates he meets St. Peter and sees the strangest site. There are billions of clocks at the entrance to Heaven. The Democrat, always curious, asks St. Pete what the clocks are for. St. Peter replies: "This is how we keep track of how many lies people tell when they are on Earth. For instance, here's Mother Teresa's clock. As you can see, the hands haven't moved from High Noon. And here's George Washington's clock, you can see the hand has moved about five minutes past Noon. And here's Bill Clinton's clock, it's moved a couple of hours." The Democrat says "I see. And how about George Bush's clock?"
St. Peter replies, "Oh, we keep that one in the office. We use it as a ceiling fan."

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#15: Fuzzy math:

Senate Leader Bill Frist, Dick Cheney and Dubya go into a bar.

Frist orders first. "I'll have a B and C." The bartender asks, "What is a B & C?" "Bourbon and Coke," Frist says.
Cheney orders. "And, I'll have a G and T." The bartender says, "OK, Gin & Tonic, comin' up. And you, sir?"

Dubya wants to be cute, too. He says, "I'll have a 15." “OK,” the bartender asks, "What's a 15?"
Dubya says, "A 7 and 7."

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#1908: A Russian immigrant woman, distant cousin of anarchist Emman Goldmann, comes to Ellis Island (New York) in 1908 with the crush of Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, Eye-talians, Czechs, Checkmates, Hungarians and the Hungry.

Every immigrant is faced with a stone faced immigration officer who attempts to deny immigration on the grounds of disease, mental incompetence, or revolutionary intent.

The final question every new immigrant is asked is this: "Will you, by means of armed rebellion or sedition, attempt to overthrown the government of the United States?"

The woman, anxious to become an American and join Emma, upon hearing this question reflected upon it for a few seconds then looked the agent in the eye and thoughtful responded, "Sedition".

***
OK, so you get the idea. Please send along your favorites. You'll be awarded one "attaboy!" for every submission, unless you deserve a "you go, gurl!"

Keep dem sacred cows mooing!

NOTES:
(1) It has been said, by someone much wiser than me that the only assault that mean people like George Bush cannot defend against is ridicule. Public, blatant, open ridicule is one of our best tools to end the illegitimate reign of America's Caligula wannabee.



To: redfish who wrote (10534)5/12/2004 6:17:29 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 20773
 
GEORGE BUSH IN WONDERLAND: The Iterations of Developing Realities, or "STANDING UP The Software"

In the year since the invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration has repeatedly shifted its justification for going to war and constantly changed its story on intelligence, the United Nations, reconstruction, political transition and the cost to the American taxpayer. More than anything, the administration's war in Iraq resembles a software program that, at first, works brilliantly, but then catches the user in a cycle of "fatal error" messages.

Here then, in Silicon Valley terms, is a review of the Bush administration's year in Iraq:

Saddam Hussein poses an 'imminent threat' to the American people.

* Version 1.0 - Saddam Hussein is an imminent threat
* Version 1.01 - Saddam Hussein is a gathering threat
* Version 1.02 - Saddam Hussein poses a real and dangerous threat
* Version 1.1 - The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud
* Version 1.2 - We can't afford to wait
* Version 1.3 - We never said imminent
* Version 1.3.1 - OK, maybe we did say it once or twice
* Version 1.4 - We should have been more precise

Saddam Hussein is ready to use weapons of mass destruction.

* Version 2.1 - Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
* Version 2.2 - Saddam has nuclear weapons
* Version 2.3 - Saddam has biological agents he's never accounted for
* Version 2.3.1 - The trailers are mobile labs for producing chemical weapons
* Version 2.3.2 - Unmanned aircraft are ready to spread Saddam's biological weapons
* Version 2.4 - Saddam's going to make more of all these weapons
* Version 2.5 - We all know where the weapons are
* Version 2.5.1 - Well, Saddam has used weapons of mass destruction
* Version 2.5.2 - Iraq is a big country. We'll find the weapons eventually.
* Version 2.5.3 - Saddam had weapons of mass destruction programs
* Version 2.5.4 - Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction program related activities"
* Version 2.5.5 - David Kay? Who's David Kay?
* Version 2.6 - It's not about misleading the American people -

Saddam Hussein is gone and that's the most important thing. The intelligence is clear.

* Version 3.0 - We based our statements on our available intelligence
* Version 3.1 - Saddam tried to buy uranium ore in Niger
* Version 3.1.2 - Well, that was what the British told us
* Version 3.1.3 - Did we tell you about Joe Wilson's wife?
* Version 3.1.4 - Do you know a good lawyer?
* Version 3.2 - The intelligence is absolutely clear
* Version 3.2.1 - Intelligence is never 100 percent certain
* Version 3.2.2 - We didn't manipulate the intelligence
* Version 3.3 - There was no consensus within the intelligence community
* Version 3.3.1 - We saw the same intelligence the last Administration did

Saddam Hussein has deep ties to al Qaeda.

* Version 4.0 - Saddam has long-standing ties to al Qaeda
* Version 4.0.1 - You can't distinguish between Saddam and al Qaeda
* Version 4.0.2 - There is an al Qaeda terrorist network in Iraq
* Version 4.0.3 - Saddam has provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training.
* Version 4.0.4 - Saddam will give his weapons to al Qaeda
* Version 4.0.5 - Colin Powell: I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection [between al Qaeda and Iraq]
* Version 4.0.6 - Vice President Cheney: I still believe there's a connection.
* Version 4.0.7 - CIA Director George Tenet: I told Dick not to say that.

The United Nations just can't handle this.

* Version 5.0 - The UN had 12 years to deal with this
* Version 5.1 - We don't trust the UN to handle this
* Version 5.1.1 - We don't need the UN's help
* Version 5.1.2 - The UN should play a vital, but not central role
* Version 5.1.3 - You there, UN, tell Ayatollah Sistani that elections aren't possible
* Version 5.1.4 - UN, please oversee the election process
* Version 5.1.5 - Pretty please? We'll pay our dues

The war in Iraq won't hurt our efforts in Afghanistan or the hunt for Bin Laden.

* Version 6.0 - Iraq won't affect our hunt for bin Laden
* Version 6.1 - Assets have been moved from Afghanistan to Iraq
* Version 6.1.1 - Assets are being returned to Afghanistan
* Version 6.2 - We're mounting a spring offensive against bin Laden
* Version 6.2.1 - We'll catch bin Laden this year
* Version 6.2.2 - We hope to catch bin Laden this year
* Version 6.3 - Even if we catch bin Laden, the threat will still exist.

Mission accomplished.

* Version 7.0 - We won't need hundreds of thousands of troops - that's wildly off the mark
* Version 7.1 - Mission accomplished
* Version 7.1.1 - We'll stay as long as needed and not one day more
* Version 7.1.2 - The troops will be home in six months
* Version 7.1.3 - The Iraqi Army will provide security
* Version 7.1.4 - Where's the Iraqi Army?
* Version 7.1.5 - We've disbanded the Iraqi Army
* Version 7.1.3 - The troops will stay a year and be replaced
* Version 7.2 - We're training the Iraqi army - Iraqification will work
* Version 7.2.1 - We don't need any more American troops
* Version 7.2.2 - Well, maybe we do
* Version 7.2.3 - We're keeping 30,000 more troops on active duty than were authorized
* Version 7.2.4 - We don't know if this increase in troops is a spike or a plateau
* Version 7.2.5 - We're establishing stop loss so troops can't leave
* Version 7.2.6 - The Army is planning multi-year rotations

The cost to the American taxpayer.

* Version 8.0 - Economic advisor Larry Lindsey: The war will cost $200 billion
* Version 8.0.1 - President Bush: You're fired!
* Version 8.1 - The war will pay for itself very quickly
* Version 8.1.1 - Iraqi oil revenue will pay for reconstruction
* Version 8.2 - Our allies will help us
* Version 8.3 - We'll pay for the war through supplementals
* Version 8.3.1 - Congress wouldn't let us put it in the budget
* Version 8.3.2 - Can we please have $87 billion?
* Version 8.3.3 - Well, we really can't calculate what it will cost...
* Version 8.3.4 - Well, maybe we can - $50 billion may be on the low side
* Version 8.3.5 - Ask us after November 2...

Democracy comes to Iraq.

* Version 9.0.0 - We will be greeted as liberators
* Version 9.0.1 - We'll establish democracy in Iraq
* Version 9.1.0 - We'll turn this back to the Iraqis quickly
* Version 9.1.1 - President Chalabi will be welcomed with open arms
* Version 9.1.2 - Well, not so fast - we're prohibiting political parties
* Version 9.2.0 - We have the November 15 agreement - it's unchangeable
* Version 9.2.1 - We will appoint a small governing council
* Version 9.2.2 - Well, maybe a larger one
* Version 9.3.0 - We don't favor elections
* Version 9.3.1 - Caucuses work in Iowa, why not Iraq?
* Version 9.3.2 - OK fine, we'll have elections
* Version 9.4.0 - We can't return sovereignty until there is a constitution
* Version 9.4.1 - Never mind, we'll turn over sovereignty first
* Version 9.4.2 - We need to return this to the Iraqis - How about June 30?
* Version 9.4.3 - We're still focused on elections - the ones on November 2

The bottom line.

* Version 10.0 - Trust us. We know what we're doing