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To: freelyhovering who wrote (133161)	5/16/2004 4:39:03 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

<<<It's shamefull that the military will go through with the court martials for the few "rotten apples" rather than including the 'premium apples' of the Rumsfeld, Cheney, Sanchez, Miller, and all their senior staff. Hersh should get the award for the Best Journalist of last 20 years.>>> And Count Von Zeppelin should have been prosecuted for inventing the dirigible, as should Henry Ford for mass producing a killing vehicle. And all the heads of a TV network should be investigated if one reporter destroys a mans reputation by reporting a false story. Find a mouse in a coke bottle?- Fire the CEO. Let the punishment fit the crime- and thus Saddam is in deep trouble. Put all the MP's involved and their local superiors naked in a cell and video-tape them having simulated sex while some Iraqis watch. Beat them little.Then show the tape on world-wide TV networks. Sig@toothfortooth.com

To: freelyhovering who wrote (133161)	5/16/2004 6:10:14 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Rumsfeld 'gave secret OK' ___________________________ 15/05/2004 23:07 - (SA) Washington - US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a secret programme that encouraged interrogation methods used at Abu Ghraib prison, where Iraqi prisoners were abused, The New Yorker magazine said on Saturday. Rumsfeld had approved "a highly secret operation" last year, which "encouraged physical coercion and the sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq," New Yorker investigative reporter Seymour Hersh wrote, citing current and former intelligence officials. Excerpts of Hersh's report have been released ahead of publication this week. Hersh said the clandestine Defence Department operation was known as a Special Access Program (SAP). 'Do what you want' Its rules were: "Grab whom you must. Do what you want," according to one former intelligence official cited by Hersh. The US defence secretary's decision to import such techniques into Iraq, after their use in Afghanistan, was opposed by members of US intelligence organisations, the report said. "They said, 'No way. We signed up for the core programme in Afghanistan, pre-approved for operations against high-value terrorist targets, and now you want to use it for cab drivers, brothers-in-law, and people pulled off the streets,'" the former intelligence official told Hersh. The intelligence source said the CIA objected to the programme's use inside Abu Ghraib, where a scandal involving the mistreatment of Iraqis has sparked Democratic calls for Rumsfeld's resignation. The CIA ended its SAP involvement in the jail. Leaked photos from Abu Ghraib have shown US soldiers abusing Iraqi inmates, forcing them into sexually humiliating positions. Hersh writes that Rumsfeld left the detailed planning to Pentagon intelligence chief Steve Cambone, but that the programme was ultimately approved by Rumsfeld and the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers. The Pentagon wanted to use tougher interrogation techniques as the US plan to occupy Iraq was hindered by a growing insurgency, Hersh wrote. "So here are fundamentally good soldiers - military intelligence guys - being told that no rules apply," a former military intelligence official told Hersh. When the New Yorker and CBS published photographs showing US soldiers sexually abusing Iraqi inmates at Abu Ghraib amid allegations of assaults and beatings, "the (Pentagon) cover story was that some kids got out of control," Hersh said. "As far as they're concerned, this is a covert operation, and it's to be kept within the Defence Department channels," the former intelligence official told Hersh. Hersh is an award-winning US journalist who broke the story of the My Lai massacre, when US soldiers executed Vietnamese civilians during the war in Vietnam. news24.com