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To: Lou Weed who wrote (133877)	5/22/2004 2:34:03 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Michael, When we say that the Saudis practice torture in their jail, to what do we refer? The worst of the Abu Ghraib abuses would hardly qualify for a murmur from the Red Cross, pertaining to any Arab jail.

To: Lou Weed who wrote (133877)	5/23/2004 4:12:11 AM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Oh, you also forgot to include anal rape with an electric appliance, sexual humiliation and forced homosexual acts in your list of "non-torturous techniques" but I guess that doesn't amount to torture as generally understood either! Sheesh....don't you ever get pissed at this admin. for making you have to resort to such rationalizations? Sad... It is very interesting that the very type of "bedroom activity" that is abhorred by the republicans in public, including the intention of adopting a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, is the kind of treatment that is routinely administered to prisoners in Iraq? the sodomizing of the prisoners being one of the oft mentioned treatments. The logic of it all is as torturous as their actions! Orca