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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (133921)5/22/2004 7:35:47 PM
From: Lou Weed  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
<<When we say that the Saudis practice torture in their jail, to what do we refer? The worst of the Abu Ghraib abuses would hardly qualify for a murmur from the Red Cross, pertaining to any Arab jail.>>

Sigh.....I'm guessing from this response that the answer to my question is that you've never suffered such treatment, therefore your assertion that...

"Moreover, there is not much in all this scandal that amounts to torture as generally understood - beatings, bastinado, hung from the ceiling, electric shock, mock executions, etc, so I doubt it would elicit much in the way of false confessions."

is purely based upon your own assumption and not on actual facts. Just as I thought....thank you.

MON



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (133921)5/22/2004 8:18:36 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
The worst of the Abu Ghraib abuses would hardly qualify for a murmur from the Red Cross, pertaining to any Arab jail.

So we should hold ourselves up for comparison to some of the most repressive societies on earth?

One of your more ridiculous arguments. I really wish you'd set your sights higher than comparing your culture (and mine) to the Saudis or the Egyptians.