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To: the navigator who wrote (46257)5/22/2004 2:16:13 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50167
 
<A democracy is characterized by one simple thing, that is the right to vote. >

Why did it take 1920 and 1965 to give these rights to your own people and minorities, very important years? Expecting from other nations to instantly gratify you whereas you took your own sweet time is some thing steep, that is my whole point that we the under dogs today are going through our renaissance we sorely missed it, now please help us to put this whole set up together, you were not hampered by laws of Allah, we are dictated by them, in this closed environment we need to find every orifice through which light shines and expect a silver lining to the dark ominous clouds that hang over us. Great idea, but how sad that it took even western civilizations and your country to give these basic rights that you demand from others so tongue in cheek some solid ground work a lot of blood shed and a lot of time..

To expect Islamic dominated countries to be free from shackles of ideological slavery is little too steep, freedom even for you people have need sacrifices of blood and tears, so will be in our region, put Iraq exactly as a case example where these very right are being won, the advantage you guys had was that al your crimes were hidden as their was no live coverage, we guys are going through our reawakening under glaring lights of CNN; the instant gratification concepts which have become part of our mental upbringing as a result of markets are also a stumbling block. Like you learned from trial and experiences and really tear each other part for rights to minorities we will reach this stage much faster as a result of connectivity but it will be a difficult few decades, we are setting a great change and we are part of the change.

It needed a civil war for blacks to get the right to vote. Blacks actually didn't have the right to vote at the end of the Civil War. Southern states put together governments excluding Blacks from voting. Legislatures from southern states, encouraged by the same people who led the states out of the Union, made Black Codes which stopped African Americans from getting almost all of their rights. Actually it was not until the Voting Rights Act of 1965, signed by President Lyndon Johnson over 100 years after the Civil War ended, that it became illegal to stop Blacks from voting. Blacks were finally guaranteed their voting rights in 1965..Do you know that in the 1950's Blacks weren't allowed to eat in the same restaurants as Whites, weren't allowed to drink out of the same drinking fountains as Whites, and often weren't allowed to vote? Although slaves were freed at the end of the Civil War, they didn't get treated the same as Whites. It does take some time before voting rights are guaranteed, it needs sometime commotion civil wars some bloodshed, we are exactly going through that type of reawakening that your nation had gone through despite being very enlightened, we are demanding those changes.

You also took some sweet time to give this great right to women, please let me help you with your memory.

Susan B. Anthony was one of the strongest advocates of Women's rights in the mid-19th century, and is a representative figure of these politically oriented types of feminists politics. . In 1872 she was arrested after casting an 'illegal' vote in the presidential election. She was fined $100 but refused to pay. She delivered this speech in 1873.

< The preamble of the Federal Constitution says:
"We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
It was we, the people; not we, the white male citizens; nor yet we, the male citizens; but we, the whole people, who formed the Union. And we formed it, not to give the blessings of liberty, but to secure them; not to the half of ourselves and the half of our posterity, but to the whole people - women as well as men. And it is a downright mockery to talk to women of their enjoyment of the blessings of liberty while they are denied the use of the only means of securing them provided by this democratic-republican government - the ballot.
The only question left to be settled now is: Are women persons? And I hardly believe any of our opponents will have the hardihood to say they are not. Being persons, then, women are citizens; and no state has a right to make any law, or to enforce any old law, that shall abridge their privileges or immunities. Hence, every discrimination against women in the constitutions and laws of the several states is today null and void, precisely as is every one against Negroes. >

It took 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Women's Right to Vote (1920) -

Sixty-sixth Congress of the United States of America; At the First Session,

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Monday, the nineteenth day of May, one thousand nine hundred and nineteen.

JOINT RESOLUTION

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution extending the right of suffrage to women.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislature of three-fourths of the several States.

"ARTICLE ————.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Islam the concept that my country follows has no concept of democracy; for Islam it is an alien concept the western parliamentary democracy. For a Islamic country to have democracy means a big change of attitude, ‘will of Allah’ is supreme over every other thing, it is for this reason that freedoms are so curtailed in our part of the world. Now, within limitations if we quasi systems and if our systems allow some latitude I think we are fortunate not to be born in Iraq or Saudi or even Egypt, beggars are not choosers, I am grateful to be able to run this thread from my country and being able to express it, many an unfortunate friends of mine in other parts of the world are not so in Middle East, as far as right to vote is concerned we have had 9 elections since 1988, please refer to my articles to reason of lost of political clout of the politicians it has been mainly due to financial impropriety, our two main party leaders are both indicted for huge irregularities in Switzerland and Pakistan, average Pakistani / capita is 400 dollars whereas the politicians families are amongst the richest in the country, our political system fails time and again due to scandals that emerge firstly and secondly importance of strong man within Islamic societies, the concept of Caliph, now this is not an ideal situation, we as secularist like to have the best of the two worlds but how can we reach perfection, the best available situation is that we are trying to break the yoke of Islamist extremists controls and secondly trying to bring the hinterland of terrorism under direct rule, the northern areas of Pakistan since second Sikh war are autonomous areas with no federal control, in ‘ Soldier Sahib’ a classic book the author have written in closing paragraph that when Brits sailed out of Pakistan and India in 1947 they left with sigh of relief the biggest problem for them had been during the Raj was to control these autonomous areas, this is the first time that an effort has been made too control these areas.